You do realise that what we think of as freedom of speech is no where near what we actually have, it basically gets you to 'The government sucks' and that's about it. What you think of as freedom of speech is what they have in America where you can say pretty much anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Where did I say that, or are you doing the typical "put-words-in-mouth" argument? I did not say that, therefore that comment you made is pointless. Freedom of speech is played upon too often by people who really do not know how to form arguments, make an argument nor know what they're actually protesting for or against. You get generic and xenophobic slurrs which makes the credibility of many protests drop lower than Ann Widdecombes smooth breasts. The people burning the Qu'ran for example, they were outright attacking Islam in general when the real problem is with Muslim Extremists, a small minority. Then you get the people in this article burning poppies for no reason, s they appear to not have one other than "British soldiers burn in hell", even though the fact the wars relating to WWI, WWII and any other war probably averted problems for these countries, and the fact that the morons are living in a "free" country which, if these hellish British soldiers didn't fight, wouldn't be the haven they're living in now. The fact they're hating a nation that has somehow took them on is amazing too. It's not freedom of speech like RSPCA marches where good evidence has been found (though I disagree with animal testing should be scrapped which was/is a popular topic in the past), it's just stupidity in large numbers protesting without cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
That is freedom of speech and that is what i'm arguing for, the American system is based on old traditional English law which i've been arguing for and have made the point that modern law and European-style law is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
I bolded it for you, but here it is again what you say; "Freedom of expression and free speech are reserved for people who have done research and know what they're talking about, and both sides are as stupid and dumb as they can get and are not allowed these "rights" as they are clearly incapable of rational thought." - in other words, freedom of speech should be regulated.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
The post you've made now, but that logic is just as bad. You say these people do not know how to make rational arguments - instead of trying to argue for what they are saying to be banned and made illegal, why not form your own argument to destroy theirs because thats freedom of speech. If you don't like what people are saying, you dont go out and ban it - you confront it and prove them wrong.
Again, you say 'without cause' - who said? you? why? because you disagree with them? what if I wanted what you say banned based on my argument that you don't have a cause. You'd quite rightly be up in arms because i'm treading all over your right to freedom of speech.
Surely it's a bit counter productive saying "lets kill all muslims" for a small group of them burning some poppies on remembrance day considering part of what we are supposed to be remembering is the fight against fascism and the tens of millions of people who died defeating it.
Yeh lol in America they can just say it how it is, over here we cannot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chippiewill
I was replying to Dean...Quote:
Originally Posted by bethie
Dean was saying that telling them to go home would just be pointless as British people can also be muslim. However in that video they obviously all originated from another country and have moved over here recently. Besides, what sort of British person burns poppies on Remembrance Day? Our soldiers fought for freedom of speech and to prevent England from being invaded by foreigners, if only they could see it now...
I occasionally agree with your posts but this baffles me. Surely if we're living in a society where everyone is allowed to start fires and burn whatever their please, we're going to be living in a very offensive, very hurtful and extremely unruly environment. While some rules go over the top (Safety guidelines in particular), we shouldn't simply throw them all out of the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
But then where does one cross the line as to what is and isn't rude/offensive. It's just too much of a debateable subject so personally i think its either easier to just leave all of them alone since its impossible to ban them (bringing me back to everything being debateable). However i think its right the EDL were stopped since they were obviously gonna cause harm, but then you could say the extremists should be arrested too since they were obviously provoking that sort of response, but then you could say a lot of stuff is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathew
Its a tricky one.
all the placards they have put up seem not to be particularly offensive.
in fact it is almost refreshing that it shows that these people are allowed to do this because of the sacrifices of WWI/WWII soldiers. i doubt this sort of action would have been permitted under a nazi regime!
if the EDL were actively charging towards the protesters, then the police were right to lead them away. if either of the groups were provoking each other with direct threats/insults then they should be lead away.
What could you do under the nazi regime? I think this is quite a silly comment - I can almost say for a fact, the British soldiers would hate to see this.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexxxxx
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It is also interesting that if it wasn't for the allied soldiers (British etc) the muslims probably wouldn't even be alive now.
Agree with both points. You really think a British soldier, who fought for independence & peace, would ENJOY seeing a memorial to him being burnt? That's like saying Hitler would enjoy the sight of Jews roaming around Berlin - it's ludicrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milestone