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Originally Posted by jasey

No, frankly, I wouldn't care. My heart hasn't been in this site for a long time and I know I am speaking for quite a lot of active users when I say that. If Habbox goes, it goes. In fact, it's not an 'if' but rather a 'when'. I hate to be the realist, of course. I'd stay clear of making that bet in any case.

I'm all for you investigating this but it doesn't need to be plastered in public with people acting like it is more terrible than it is. Certainly, if you want to play internet detective then do it somewhere you can all play together without people seeing the Habbox tech team peeing contest.

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Mmhmm, you seem to care a lot right now? We never acted like it was more terrible than it was, in fact, I spent most of last night in the help desk advising people that it wasn't anything serious and reset passwords as a precaution if they ran the java app. The java app is in fact malicious so we're setting about advising users what to do if they're infected. Information is key in this which is why information was released. I honestly don't see the problem.

Also, don't worry, we had an awfully fun geek off in a skype chat while Recursion decompiled it for us. It was great.

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Originally Posted by jasey

No, I wouldn't be worried about any of my personal information being leaked from Habbox's database because I am not stupid enough to put anything sensitive in to the hands of some volunteer teens who wish they had a tech job that wasn't based out of their bedroom. The things Habbox has in its database on me are so silly that I would post them publicly if I had a reason to. The database leaking would not hurt me at all and it wouldn't hurt anyone else either unless they are thick and don't protect themselves online. This isn't a decade ago — people have been warned everywhere. So, err, yeah — you can cancel that bet if the bookie will let you because I do fear you would be losing a few quid. I'm glad you learned something from working on Habbox in the past but it is clear that you are above analysing the details of this weak attempt at stealing information from the site besides, as I said already, for the sake of nostalgia. Even if it is because you have a soft spot in your heart for Habbox, you can cut the drama without losing credibility. Some of the "tech" users' posts in this thread border on hysteria. I'm thrilled you are pleased with the size of your ego as well. I am glad you got to see Habbox grow. So did I and so did many other people on the forum, right from the start.

Would you be willing to bet any of the money you were going to place on me caring about my info in Habbox's database on how obvious it is that the site as a whole is far past its apex and is now swirling down the sink?

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First of all-- there's nothing wrong with wanting to work in the computer science industry and there's nothing wrong with saying or expressing you want to work in the computer science industry. Second, instead of insulting my friend Tom in a novel like fashion by doing things like calling him a teen volunteer with a stupid dream you should be saying that to me. I (hi!) developed how content is storage on Habbox.com. Passwords stored in the Habbox.com as well as forum database are hashed, salted then hashed again. So unless you're uploading nude photos of yourself in the staff uploading section of the website I should hope you have nothing to fear of a database leak.

I don't know how many times I, Matt, Tom, Chip or anyone else can tell you this before you comprehend it: Habbox cares about it's uptime and protecting users from harms way where possible. Until you develop an argument focused around why Habbox should be a heartless zombie who doesn't care if we're affiliated with hackers, then your macho "I'm smarter then everyone who cares what happens to Habbox" attitude is completely redundant.

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Originally Posted by Recursion

Well, unfortunately for you, there are many users who do trust us and who do wish their information to be kept private wherever possible, which is something we'd like to keep that way. Thankfully, I can't take any offence to your post because actually, I (as does iAdam and others) do have a day job, which is technical and I worked my way into because I am a "techie" and must at least have a clue what I'm doing, which is obviously more than can be said for some people around here. In terms of personal information, passwords and the like, the same problems exist today as they did a decade ago... humans aren't perfect, we're naturally lazy and like to use the same password for many different services.

I'd like to know how this is for the sake of nostalgia, the site is still active (in fact one of the most active Habbo fansites) and over the years a very large community of people who never have done (or no longer do) play Habbo has formed who wish to continue being a part of the Habbox community (one of which, is me). Any "breach" (I use quotes, you seem to like those) is serious, no matter how much information has been stolen and we do take them seriously, as should everyone, which is exactly why we'll be forcing password resets across the entire Habbox.com website.

Habbox aside, you may not take something like this seriously, but fortunately for the world there are people who do and make massive amounts of money doing it and your argument is fundamentally flawed.

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I'm going to try to branch out of replying to the cascading rebuttals to my original statement because apparently some people are plagued with delusions of grandeur.

Is that something you think is special, my friend? That is, having a day job. Humans are naturally lazy. It is effort to put on a seatbelt and if you don't then peace be with you as you fly through the smashing car window. It is effort to check the expiry date on food before you eat it and I hope all goes well when you are sitting on the loo or lying in a hospital bed with food poisoning. It is effort to ignore the constant advertisements for food that is intrinsically unhealthy and my thoughts are with the preventable cases of obsesity who may be plagued with the side effects of that condition as they age. On the same level, it is effort to use secure passwords for secure sites and different ones for sites managed by overzealous teenagers. My thoughts, specifically ones of pity, sit beside those who lose access to their online finances or something serious like that because their info was leaked from the Habbox database.

You like to avoid the bigger picture, am I right? You are speaking truth when you say that Habbox is one of the biggest Habbo fansites. In perspective, Foula is one of the biggest outlying islands in the Shetlands and I am sure all 31 people that live there — if they even still do, population has been declining — would care very much if someone stole something from one of their houses. Would it make the news in London? I'll let you answer that one.

http://www.readthehook.com/files/old...farm-hicks.jpg

I don't know if you are unaware that I have been around this site more or less since its launch and I no longer play Habbo actively. I understand that there is a community that sticks around here but it is a bit telling when the majority of posts on this forum come from the same few dozen people over and over, day by day. How many new users who become very active has Habbox gotten in the last three months?

I do applaud you for recognising my fondness for quotes "because I don't think some people understand what words mean" but when it boils down to things this was about as unserious as a breach can get and doesn't warrant this reaction. My argument is not fundamentally flawed as I have stated that this would be serious had this not been Habbox. PSN? Sure. PayPal? Of course. Habbo itself? Yep. This fansite? No, no one is making massive amounts of money using their scratched up microscopes to argue over the details of what happened. I almost feel like I should pay some people for the laughable things they say.

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Originally Posted by jasey

I'm going to try to branch out of replying to the cascading rebuttals to my original statement because apparently some people are plagued with delusions of grandeur.

Is that something you think is special, my friend? That is, having a day job. Humans are naturally lazy. It is effort to put on a seatbelt and if you don't then peace be with you as you fly through the smashing car window. It is effort to check the expiry date on food before you eat it and I hope all goes well when you are sitting on the loo or lying in a hospital bed with food poisoning. It is effort to ignore the constant advertisements for food that is intrinsically unhealthy and my thoughts are with the preventable cases of obsesity who may be plagued with the side effects of that condition as they age. On the same level, it is effort to use secure passwords for secure sites and different ones for sites managed by overzealous teenagers. My thoughts, specifically ones of pity, sit beside those who lose access to their online finances or something serious like that because their info was leaked from the Habbox database.

You like to avoid the bigger picture, am I right? You are speaking truth when you say that Habbox is one of the biggest Habbo fansites. In perspective, Foula is one of the biggest outlying islands in the Shetlands and I am sure all 31 people that live there — if they even still do, population has been declining — would care very much if someone stole something from one of their houses. Would it make the news in London? I'll let you answer that one.

http://www.readthehook.com/files/old...farm-hicks.jpg

I don't know if you are unaware that I have been around this site more or less since its launch and I no longer play Habbo actively. I understand that there is a community that sticks around here but it is a bit telling when the majority of posts on this forum come from the same few dozen people over and over, day by day. How many new users who become very active has Habbox gotten in the last three months?

I do applaud you for recognising my fondness for quotes "because I don't think some people understand what words mean" but when it boils down to things this was about as unserious as a breach can get and doesn't warrant this reaction. My argument is not fundamentally flawed as I have stated that this would be serious had this not been Habbox. PSN? Sure. PayPal? Of course. Habbo itself? Yep. This fansite? No, no one is making massive amounts of money using their scratched up microscopes to argue over the details of what happened. I almost feel like I should pay some people for the laughable things they say.

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You've contradicted yourself, you show a blatant disregard for other people's personal information and you've attempted to belittle the entire Admin team here. I won't stoop to your level and continue this argument, if you wish to, you may PM me any time of day where me and the rest of the admin team will love to answer any questions you have and take any constructive criticisms you have to offer.

I'll leave you with one image, highly appropriate to this bank holiday.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sRXyOP3xnD...-at-me-bro.jpg

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

You did not have to post in this thread at all, the discussion was actually going on fine to be honest.

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I don't see why I am forbidden to. I didn't have to and I probably wouldn't have if I was still outside chopping down trees but it started to rain on the acreage and I came inside. Consider it a free lesson in life that you can think about.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I thought you would make that comparison yet you've seen it the wrong way. Habbox is a minor site, which is "easy pickings". Find the e-mail, the username and any information that can lead to a take over of more important accounts such as PSN accounts and there you have it, you've done little to no leg work. Would you rather attack the FBI straight on, or find a minor character and enter easily? Same thing, and all too common in this day and age.

EDIT: An obvious example can also be what happens on Habbo far too often. Find the e-mail associated with it > take over the account or just use the e-mail to find out their Facebook and so forth. Habbo have been known to change e-mail addresses on Habbo accounts if you e-mail them and make a persuasive argument.

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Yes, and I have commented on how little I am worried about those stupid enough to leave themselves that vulnerable. Barring that, you can see my reply just above this one as a sort of closing statement. I'm all for six against one fights when none of the group is willing to do anything but defend their own shadow and I am certainly giddy to go see the -REP comments that I posses no doubt have been left for me in dishing out my opinion here. However, I would like to go eat so I will let everyone continue talking about the tragic incident. If I haven't ruined the thread for everyone by disagreeing, that is.

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Originally Posted by iAdam

Mmhmm, you seem to care a lot right now? We never acted like it was more terrible than it was, in fact, I spent most of last night in the help desk advising people that it wasn't anything serious and reset passwords as a precaution if they ran the java app. The java app is in fact malicious so we're setting about advising users what to do if they're infected. Information is key in this which is why information was released. I honestly don't see the problem.

Also, don't worry, we had an awfully fun geek off in a skype chat while Recursion decompiled it for us. It was great.

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Good, you see, that is something I am proud of. If this interests you, then have a geek off on Skype and use this as an opportunity to analyse this little 'hack' for your amusement. If you hold important dayjobs you will know this act is low, very low, as far as how serious online compromisation can get. Seriously, though. I have nothing against having interests. What bothered me here was the sensationalism over something so paltry in the grand scheme of things. I guess there is little excitement left around here for staff.

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

First of all-- there's nothing wrong with wanting to work in the computer science industry and there's nothing wrong with saying or expressing you want to work in the computer science industry. Second, instead of insulting my friend Tom in a novel like fashion by doing things like calling him a teen volunteer with a stupid dream you should be saying that to me. I (hi!) developed how content is storage on Habbox.com. Passwords stored in the Habbox.com as well as forum database are hashed, salted then hashed again. So unless you're uploading nude photos of yourself in the staff uploading section of the website I should hope you have nothing to fear of a database leak.

I don't know how many times I, Matt, Tom, Chip or anyone else can tell you this before you comprehend it: Habbox cares about it's uptime and protecting users from harms way where possible. Until you develop an argument focused around why Habbox should be a heartless zombie who doesn't care if we're affiliated with hackers, then your macho "I'm smarter then everyone who cares what happens to Habbox" attitude is completely redundant.

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I don't think I'm smarter than everyone else. Making a logical fallacy like that is silly, you silly billy! There are people in this thread who can do things with code I am not capable of and I don't discredit them for a second. It is clear to me I have a more solid grip on reality, however, and perhaps that is what is off-putting to you about my attitude. I have never said that Habbox shouldn't look in to this — not once. What I have been saying is that Habbox should not have treated this issue with the banshee attitude that it did. It's ridiculous.

Now comes something that requires a little more thinking for me than understanding the blindness in some people: which flavour of latte do I reckon I should have right now?

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by jasey

What I have been saying is that Habbox should not have treated this issue with the banshee attitude that it did. It's ridiculous.

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Are you saying we shouldn't have overreacted? Please I do really want to know what you have to say in regards of my question.

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Originally Posted by jasey

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Each and every website has one main priority whether they have thousands or 5 active users and that is to keep the website secure from attacks along with protecting their visitors. Just because Habbox is a little fansite for an online game doesn't mean that they shouldn't have to do that.

Perhaps you just need to have another dance off and chill:

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Originally Posted by Calvin

Each and every website has one main priority whether they have thousands or 5 active users and that is to keep the website secure from attacks along with protecting their visitors. Just because Habbox is a little fansite for an online game doesn't mean that they shouldn't have to do that.

Perhaps you just need to have another dance off and chill:
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Ah, my Bollywood days. Do you realise how big of a hit this was in India? Err, one thing though — I do make mention of where the American president is rubbing me in the end of that video and not putting that video in a spoiler might make the moderation team anxious. Perhaps one of the dozen staff observing this thread can fix that up if you have lost the 'edit' timeframe.

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Originally Posted by jasey

I'm going to try to branch out of replying to the cascading rebuttals to my original statement because apparently some people are plagued with delusions of grandeur.

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"plagued with delusions of grandeur"? I think you're plagued with delusions of grandeur for simply using the phrase plagued with delusions of grandeur on what you said is a "website for teenagers". If Tom want's to sound like a technician then you want to sound like Mr. Tolkien himself.

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Originally Posted by jasey

-tldr tldr tldr-

My thoughts, specifically ones of pity, sit beside those who lose access to their online finances or something serious like that because their info was leaked from the Habbox database.

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In your infinite wisdom, whilst you were calling my replies cascading rebuttals, and whilst you were saying I was being grandeur, you must of actually forgotten to read my posts because I think I already pointed out that the Habbox database being leaked would NOT be catastrophic (and that's odd, because how could you call me names based on the content of my replies unless you were actually reading them).

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Originally Posted by jasey

I don't know if you are unaware that I have been around this site more or less since its launch and I no longer play Habbo actively. I understand that there is a community that sticks around here but it is a bit telling when the majority of posts on this forum come from the same few dozen people over and over, day by day. How many new users who become very active has Habbox gotten in the last three months?

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Same here, I'm user number 420 and have been here longer than you (okay so nooow I'm being grandeur), and I understand that there is a community that sticks around here who is annoyed when the website goes down, and who would be hurt if they did lose their Habbo account because unlike you I do understand that not everyone is a 24 year old taking an English degree, and that younger members would be upset by losing accounts. There is nothing wrong with that at all, I cannot fathom why you are insensitive to these ideas.

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Originally Posted by jasey

I do applaud you for recognising my fondness for quotes "because I don't think some people understand what words mean" but when it boils down to things this was about as unserious as a breach can get and doesn't warrant this reaction. My argument is not fundamentally flawed as I have stated that this would be serious had this not been Habbox. PSN? Sure. PayPal? Of course. Habbo itself? Yep. This fansite? No, no one is making massive amounts of money using their scratched up microscopes to argue over the details of what happened. I almost feel like I should pay some people for the laughable things they say.

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Your argument is fundamentally flawed because when it boils down to things Habbox cares about it's uptime and protecting users from harms way where possible.

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Originally Posted by jasey

I don't think I'm smarter than everyone else. Making a logical fallacy like that is silly, you silly billy! There are people in this thread who can do things with code I am not capable of and I don't discredit them for a second. It is clear to me I have a more solid grip on reality, however, and perhaps that is what is off-putting to you about my attitude. I have never said that Habbox shouldn't look in to this — not once. What I have been saying is that Habbox should not have treated this issue with the banshee attitude that it did. It's ridiculous.

Now comes something that requires a little more thinking for me than understanding the blindness in some people: which flavour of latte do I reckon I should have right now?

Cheers!

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Ah, so you don't think you're smarter than everyone else but you do think you're more rational than everyone else because you behaved differently then other people did when a website had what you're calling a "minor" interference. Yep-- that sounds like perfectly sound justification to make the broad statement that you're more rational than everyone else. Wrong. Just because other people react in situations differently than you react doesn't make you superior, and it doesn't make them wrong. It just makes you and them different from each other. No harm is coming from discussing what happened at the end of the day.

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