Iraqi Flag removed and replaced with a interim Flag..

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Oh right, you'd, rather Iraq run by Shiites with no water, less freedom and no food/electric.

I have no opinion on John Major :)

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Using Major as an example.

Saddam couldn't of been doing that much of a good job if the majority of Iraq wanted him dead could he now. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Frodo13.

Using Major as an example.

Saddam couldn't of been doing that much of a good job if the majority of Iraq wanted him dead could he now. :rolleyes:

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They didn't though that's the whole point, Saddam could of been toppled in the 90's if the Iraqis wanted to, there were enough of them, his army was considerably weaker than it used to be and certainly wouldn't of been able to stop them.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

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That was done because of the Kudish uprising trying to destabilise the country.

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and that makes it right? to kill innocent people as well. That's like Gordon Brown gassing parts of LEEDS/BRADFORD because some british-asians blew up the london underground.

"yeah, but that's iraq so it's different" - >_>

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Originally Posted by [ALEX]

and that makes it right? to kill innocent people as well. That's like Gordon Brown gassing parts of LEEDS/BRADFORD because some british-asians blew up the london underground.

"yeah, but that's iraq so it's different" - >_>

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It is different, you've answered your own question, congratulations.

The Kurds as a WHOLE where a threat as they all threatened to destabilise Saddam's government and Iraq. British Asians as a WHOLE are not terrorists, very very very few British Asian's are radical Muslims who are terrorists. That's the 'Difference'.

In reply to the rest of your post, I think Undertaker has stressed enough that there's no easy and humane way of sorting out a middle-east mess like Iraq. Force, fear and punishment where used to combat anyone who threatened to destabilise Iraq, like the kurds did.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Then how come he was going to call an election when he was leading in polls, yet when the Tories took lead he cancelled it.



You need to be harsh to keep that country under control, how many times must I say this?

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Because he wants to win... And now as leader of the party that was voted in two years ago he can pick any point he pleases over the next 2 years to hold an election.

Im personally extremely glad saddam has gone. He was a murdering and cruel dictator.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

It is different, you've answered your own question, congratulations.

The Kurds as a WHOLE where a threat as they all threatened to destabilise Saddam's government and Iraq. British Asians as a WHOLE are not terrorists, very very very few British Asian's are radical Muslims who are terrorists. That's the 'Difference'.

In reply to the rest of your post, I think Undertaker has stressed enough that there's no easy and humane way of sorting out a middle-east mess like Iraq. Force, fear and punishment where used to combat anyone who threatened to destabilise Iraq, like the kurds did.

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I'm sure that not every kurd of Northern Iraq wanted to attack and de-stableize the government cause they won't get any autonomy.

The Spanish don't gas the Basque country, where plenty of people would like a new state. And they are radical. What Saddam Hussain('s reigime) has done was wrong, even with plenty of rights - it is well known that they often tortured, executed and targeted groups of people for speaking out against him. If i remember correctly, in the last 'General Election' of Iraq, Saddam had 99% of the vote. He dictated the land in a brutal manner and against international law - nothing you can say can change that, even if it had support from sections of his population - it's still wrong.

can you not move this to the debates forum

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Originally Posted by [ALEX]

I'm sure that not every kurd of Northern Iraq wanted to attack and de-stableize the government cause they won't get any autonomy.

The Spanish don't gas the Basque country, where plenty of people would like a new state. And they are radical. What Saddam Hussain('s reigime) has done was wrong, even with plenty of rights - it is well known that they often tortured, executed and targeted groups of people for speaking out against him. If i remember correctly, in the last 'General Election' of Iraq, Saddam had 99% of the vote. He dictated the land in a brutal manner and against international law - nothing you can say can change that, even if it had support from sections of his population - it's still wrong.

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We ran our country like this at one time and our empire was ran like this (Hundreds of years ago...) and so has nearly every country in the world ran like this till their politics settled and security and freedom and wealth where accomplished. We have no right to tell them how they should treat people, we where just as bad at one time. So what if it's all history, 1 minute ago is history but history isn't forgotten ;)

It's like we're now telling China to stop it's booming industry because of a so-called thing called 'Global Warming', we where having our industrial resolution about 150 years ago, so let them have theirs...

The method works to bring wealth, security, freedom and settled politics, recent evidence is Saudi Arabia, and if you want more evidence beyond, it's how the UK and it's empire was ran at one time, and now we have 'wealth, security, freedom and settled politics' to a very reasonable extent.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

We ran our country like this at one time and our empire was ran like this (Hundreds of years ago...) and so has nearly every country in the world ran like this till their politics settled and security and freedom and wealth where accomplished. We have no right to tell them how they should treat people, we where just as bad at one time. So what if it's all history, 1 minute ago is history but history isn't forgotten ;)

It's like we're now telling China to stop it's booming industry because of a so-called thing called 'Global Warming', we where having our industrial resolution about 150 years ago, so let them have theirs...

The method works to bring wealth, security, freedom and settled politics, recent evidence is Saudi Arabia, and if you want more evidence beyond, it's how the UK and it's empire was ran at one time, and now we have 'wealth, security, freedom and settled politics' to a very reasonable extent.

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Jordy has summed it all up right there :)