iPhone - Good idea? [Closes 10/02/07]

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23-01-2007, 10:40 PM
HUGECOOL

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

The music industry will just have one less company. The MP3 play that the Apple is modelled on, like others, would still be in existence. The iPod was just another blocky MP3 player. Creative brought out the first.

The iPod popularized mp3 players where others had failed to do so. CD players were pretty much preferred by everyone at the time (even though I was using a MiniDisc player at the time, which is horrible btw), but the iPod showed how convenient it was to use an mp3 player. Besides, at the time, Microsoft wasn't too keen on how other mp3 players functioned, especially Creative's. (source)

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Surely releasing frequent updates strongly hints that Macs are unreliable? Microsoft release a right amount of updates. I'd rather have the amount Microsoft have than an update a day which would become annoying "/

Unless you're running Linux, or some other esoteric operating system, you shouldn't complain about updates. And saying Apple releases daily updates is just exaggerating. o_O Besides, once you upgrade to Vista, MS is already planning to release a service pack for you to download. (source) Sound convenient? :rolleyes: And what's a 'right amount of downloads'? Surely any operating system that needs to release patches is flawed, let alone a service pack that is 'recommended' (read: required) for added security. (XP SP 2 sound familiar?)

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It is said somewhere that the iPhone isn't a good phone for business men and women, I'll find the source soon.

It isn't intended to be a business phone. It's a multimedia phone that will be mostly targeted at, well, people who want a multimedia phone. :P Sure, it has some functionality that might benefit a business person, but only for added convenience.

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It isn't revolutionary. Phones with an MP3 player, browser and the like have been around for years. The touchscreen is an idea taken from a phone which has been in the making for a while now. Only thing revolutionary is that it is from Apple and it is the revelution that Apple are making a phone...

The iPhone is not different in the technology. It's the way that technology is implemented and the kind of technology that is integrated into one small package that makes it stand out. Creating a flowing user interface that users can easily work out and understand is what I believe will make it popular.
23-01-2007, 10:46 PM
velocity

i have the 2 hour long presentation on my ipod video.

if you've seen it, you'll realise its an amazing peice of technology, its the only phone not to use WAP to get the internet, everything has been taken into consideration.

download the FREE video off itunes. that says it all,.
23-01-2007, 11:04 PM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by BL!NKEY

The release of frequent updates means that it is harder to make viruses for macs. They patch bug or vulnerabilities. You dont have to download the update which is usualy once every few months. Not every day. But it is free and all you have to do is restart your computer.

But you would rather have a opperating system which doesnt update the OS to fix bugs and vulnerabilities because it is a waste of your time to download them.

So updates are once a month? Windows Updates are just more than a month each update "/ Windows Updates free and all you need to do is restart the PC, or you can sometimes do updates while doing other things, and it won't need to restart?

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

The iPod popularized mp3 players where others had failed to do so. CD players were pretty much preferred by everyone at the time (even though I was using a MiniDisc player at the time, which is horrible btw), but the iPod showed how convenient it was to use an mp3 player. Besides, at the time, Microsoft wasn't too keen on how other mp3 players functioned, especially Creative's. (source)

Microsoft probably wasn't too keen at the time, but look at how well they're doing now. Live for the future, not the past.

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

Unless you're running Linux, or some other esoteric operating system, you shouldn't complain about updates. And saying Apple releases daily updates is just exaggerating. o_O Besides, once you upgrade to Vista, MS is already planning to release a service pack for you to download. (source) Sound convenient? :rolleyes: And what's a 'right amount of downloads'? Surely any operating system that needs to release patches is flawed, let alone a service pack that is 'recommended' (read: required) for added security. (XP SP 2 sound familiar?)
It isn't intended to be a business phone. It's a multimedia phone that will be mostly targeted at, well, people who want a multimedia phone. :P Sure, it has some functionality that might benefit a business person, but only for added convenience.

A good Operating System would surely fix a load of bugs in one go and never need repairing until they are old and obsolete. Windows does this which is why you don't get as many as Apple. Although it maybe an exaggeration, it still hints you get alot, otherwise you would get less of an exaggeration.

You can't really allow a child or minor with a phone like that? It's far too expensive and is asking to be stolen if you wave it about infront of people.

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

The iPhone is not different in the technology. It's the way that technology is implemented and the kind of technology that is integrated into one small package that makes it stand out. Creating a flowing user interface that users can easily work out and understand is what I believe will make it popular.

So how comes the video of the snobbish boss of Apple hints so strongly it is new technology? They always do this with a new release, over glorify and make it seem new, when it isn't "/ I wouldn't say it is easier to be honest, you have to use more fingers making it extra fiddly to navigate around the phone. While with buttons you only need one finger and can probably get to the menu you want 5 times faster. Also, the iPhone is hardly a small package "/ You can get other phones which are far smaller than the iPhone which hold the same and sometimes more than what it has.

Can the iPhone actually fit in a trouser pocket is what I am wondering now"/
23-01-2007, 11:05 PM
velocity

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

So updates are once a month? Windows Updates are just more than a month each update "/ Windows Updates free and all you need to do is restart the PC, or you can sometimes do updates while doing other things, and it won't need to restart?

The iphone updates itself like an ipod, on itunes.
23-01-2007, 11:17 PM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by inadequate

The iphone updates itself like an ipod, on itunes.

We were discussing Macs ;) I never knew iPods needed updates "/ You don't need them with other MP3 players unless it crashes somehow and you need to system restore it "/

And if the iPhone was amazing, surely it could update itself using the net, aswell as iTunes?
23-01-2007, 11:19 PM
-Wolverine

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I never knew iPods needed updates "/ You don't need them with other MP3 players unless it crashes somehow and you need to system restore it "/

iTunes automatically updates your iPod when there's a new version of iTunes, or if you have a new song or something.
23-01-2007, 11:28 PM
GommeInc

That confuses me. I know what you wrote about, but I don't see why the iPod needs updating. Doesn't iTune need to be one updated, not the iPod, or am I just learning iTunes is the software in an iPod that plays the music.
23-01-2007, 11:43 PM
BL!NKEY

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

That confuses me. I know what you wrote about, but I don't see why the iPod needs updating. Doesn't iTune need to be one updated, not the iPod, or am I just learning iTunes is the software in an iPod that plays the music.

You update the music mostly. Maybe a few times a year you update the actually iPod software like new games or bug patches.

itunes is not the software in the iPod.
23-01-2007, 11:55 PM
HUGECOOL

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Microsoft probably wasn't too keen at the time, but look at how well they're doing now. Live for the future, not the past.

How well with what? The Zune? lol (2% market share, woohoo!)

And this is happening now, the present. Microsoft is facing an antitrust class action because of these past events. :rolleyes:

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A good Operating System would surely fix a load of bugs in one go and never need repairing until they are old and obsolete. Windows does this which is why you don't get as many as Apple. Although it maybe an exaggeration, it still hints you get alot, otherwise you would get less of an exaggeration.

wait, lol, how would you even know how many updates Macs get compared to Windows machines? First of all, you don't own a Mac, therefore, it would not be possible for you to juxtapose update intervals or the content they contain. oO I, however, own both operating systems and work on both so I know by first-hand experience how often updates occur. And no, Windows updates doesn't fix everything all at once because otherwise no other updates would've happened after Service pack 2. ;/

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You can't really allow a child or minor with a phone like that? It's far too expensive and is asking to be stolen if you wave it about infront of people.

yeah haha, that why no parents has ever bought their children iPods, ranging from $80-350, and $500 for the 4th gen ones. :\

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So how comes the video of the snobbish boss of Apple hints so strongly it is new technology? They always do this with a new release, over glorify and make it seem new, when it isn't "/

It's called building hype, lol. All companies do this, Apple just shows it in a less subtle way. And even so, multi-touch is a new technology to the mobile industry.

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I wouldn't say it is easier to be honest, you have to use more fingers making it extra fiddly to navigate around the phone. While with buttons you only need one finger and can probably get to the menu you want 5 times faster.

Of course you need more fingers! I'm planning on growing 6 extra digits to use my iPhone. :)

Kidding aside, you're comparing a normal simple phone to a phone with a touch screen. Compare the iPhone to a smart phone, which requires 'more fingers' to operate. So, fix your comparisons. That would be like comparing a tablet-only laptop to a regular laptop.

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Also, the iPhone is hardly a small package "/ You can get other phones which are far smaller than the iPhone which hold the same and sometimes more than what it has.

show me a slim phone with 8GB of internal flash memory + multi-touch screen with a full-featured browser, and I'll be a happy. :)

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Can the iPhone actually fit in a trouser pocket is what I am wondering now"/

Why would you wonder that? I'm sure you're not planning on buying one since you're so bent on Apple's downfall, lol.

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That confuses me. I know what you wrote about, but I don't see why the iPod needs updating. Doesn't iTune need to be one updated, not the iPod, or am I just learning iTunes is the software in an iPod that plays the music.

Most mp3 players and phones alike these days require firmware updates for patches or even added functionality, or even removal of functionality. The iPod has updates as does the Zune, Creative's mp3 players, and others as well.
24-01-2007, 12:53 AM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

How well with what? The Zune? lol (2% market share, woohoo!)

I was generalising the whole, chunky MP3 players. Do they have an actual name? Because the orignal MP3 player was like a Memory Stick you just put in the PC.

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

And this is happening now, the present. Microsoft is facing an antitrust class action because of these past events. :rolleyes:

What events? The Zune is hardly anything to make people lose trust? They're not that bad are they :s

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

Wait, lol, how would you even know how many updates Macs get compared to Windows machines? First of all, you don't own a Mac, therefore, it would not be possible for you to juxtapose update intervals or the content they contain. oO I, however, own both operating systems and work on both so I know by first-hand experience how often updates occur. And no, Windows updates doesn't fix everything all at once because otherwise no other updates would've happened after Service pack 2. ;/

Considering someone just generalised the whole Mac updating times, it gives me a rough idea how often they update. I am guessing from 1 month to a week "/ You seem to have mis-read what I wrote, I said old and obsolete. Updates get old and a better one comes along to replace, which is why Windows gets its updates still ;)

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

yeah haha, that why no parents has ever bought their children iPods, ranging from $80-350, and $500 for the 4th gen ones. :\

iPods are easy to fix, Apple gives them away like ice-cream on a very hot day at the beach. When your iPod is broken, you send away for a new one and get a replacement. They give them away so easily because they're so cheap to make. I think having your iPod stolen is also covered by this warranty.

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

It's called building hype, lol. All companies do this, Apple just shows it in a less subtle way. And even so, multi-touch is a new technology to the mobile industry.

Apple are terrible advertisers. Half the Mac adverts lie about making videos and viruses. Apple target a dumb audience at best, who demand an easy userface which is basic compared to the technologies behind Windows OS.

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

Of course you need more fingers! I'm planning on growing 6 extra digits to use my iPhone. :)

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, my friend ;)

With a phone you need one finger, with the iPhone you need 2 which longate the browsing time to get to a certain menu you want.

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

Kidding aside, you're comparing a normal simple phone to a phone with a touch screen. Compare the iPhone to a smart phone, which requires 'more fingers' to operate. So, fix your comparisons. That would be like comparing a tablet-only laptop to a regular laptop.

No I am certain you only need one finger to push 1 button. With the iPhone, you need to to browse around it, looking at the videos. This argument came from ages ago in the thread saying the iPhone is easy to use and fast to browse.

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

show me a slim phone with 8GB of internal flash memory + multi-touch screen with a full-featured browser, and I'll be a happy. :)

No but I can name a phone which has more size eating things. The Sony Ericsson has a bigger, powerful camera, loads of applications, a huge system which allows you to use more than one application at a time, like using more than one window at a time on a PC. And you are obviously wanting the answer to be "I can't think of any", mainly because there is no touch-screen phone on the marker till February when one of the other companies touch-screen phone comes out "/

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

Why would you wonder that? I'm sure you're not planning on buying one since you're so bent on Apple's downfall, lol.

Because it would be interesting to know. Looking at the size of it, a trouser pocket would be the last place to put it "/ Too wide and long, it's like flat PDA. Flat being another problem, when you sit down it would get so squished as your trousers tighter around your hips that there is a possiblity of it snapping.

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Originally Posted by HUGECOOL

Most mp3 players and phones alike these days require firmware updates for patches or even added functionality, or even removal of functionality. The iPod has updates as does the Zune, Creative's mp3 players, and others as well.

Strange, my Zen has never needed an update nor asked for one, neither has my Sony Ericsson Phone, or my other Zen MP3 player which is over a year old? Maybe it's because it isn't prown to software crashes like Apple flimsy technology. And you moan about me making up stories, tisk tisk.[/QUOTE]

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