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19-07-2010, 04:24 PM
Catzsy

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Don't know :/ Who's up for a *REMOVED* :P

Because it's not your problem :/ It never has been, why is this suddenly arising when NO damage has ever been done before? It's a pointless discussion - the website isn't porn as 2 members of management wrongly accused it of being. It's just a huge online community.

And where did you get that statistic? Who are you to say they will click the links and NOT the URL Google links to? If 4-chan is mentioned, you usually go to the website, not the pages. Which is what I did.

Your argument, no offensive, is alot of hot air and pretty scattered, one moment it's a porn site and it seems the only thing to cling on to now to filter it is a Google description, despite the fact it's not a porn site and it's mentioned everywhere as it does have social use beyond that of porn :/ It's a powerful community, and the reason it's so powerful and mentoned alot is because of the other sections :/

No I have never said it was a porn site - refer to where I have? I said it was a site with porn. There are no warnings from the google link. You would have more credibilty if you did what I asked a couple of posts ago and reported what you saw. Seriously when you see links - you press them for the areas you are interested in. That's commonsense. At the present time of you click animation you would get porn. Now please don't put forward the same arguments without exploring what I say might be right. I am not saying it is not a good community and I didn't say it should be filtered.
19-07-2010, 04:27 PM
Smits

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

No I have never said it was a porn site - refer to where I have? I said it was a site with porn. There are no warnings from the google link. You would have more credibilty if you did what I asked a couple of posts ago and reported what you saw. Seriously when you see links - you press them for the areas you are interested in. That's commonsense.

And in that case, the user would only be clicking the links if they had an interesting in 'sexy beautiful women' or likewise
19-07-2010, 04:56 PM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

No I have never said it was a porn site - refer to where I have? I said it was a site with porn. There are no warnings from the google link. You would have more credibilty if you did what I asked a couple of posts ago and reported what you saw. Seriously when you see links - you press them for the areas you are interested in. That's commonsense. At the present time of you click animation you would get porn. Now please don't put forward the same arguments without exploring what I say might be right. I am not saying it is not a good community and I didn't say it should be filtered.

The way you kept going on about the 18+ material being splashed on the front page was pretty much the same as calling it a porn site :P
And again, you're not the cyber police, your duty is to moderate the forum, not the internet. If people Google search it then they do so at their own discretion, and I am fairly certain the HxF ToC mentions this :/

And as Smits said, if you click a link that interests you, then you must know what Hentai means, and Sexy Beautiful Women and so forth :P And when you're searching for a site you've never heard of, you go straight to the main Google search result in bold, although why we're discussing this when we're talking about moderating the members and the forum, and how Google reference their findings, is completely irrelevant :/

So what are the reasons to filter it? So far the only reasons I can see that are near valid are the Google result field (nothing to do with Habbox) and WOOTZEH suggesting it, which is one member suggestion for it against many hundreds of opinions against filtering it :/
19-07-2010, 04:58 PM
W00TZEH

Hey, I only suggested filtering it so I could get my infraction reversed. I'm all for keeping it unfiltered otherwise. :D
19-07-2010, 05:02 PM
Robbie

I can't believe it's just been filtered like this. Surely you should ask members first - and I've not seen other members of 'senior management' agreeing that it should be filtered. Just seems like a bit of a power trip to me..

The main problem is Habbox thinking they should be able to nanny everyone and control what people see on the internet. That's impossible and Habbox have taken it too far trying to be 'protective'.
19-07-2010, 05:17 PM
Tintinnabulate

I haven't logged on for a few days mainly because this forum is turning into a load of ********.

This filtering is pathetic. Catzsy, please stop making ridiculous statistics with no source or backing as it makes you look silly.

Thirdly, Jin along with ALL previous General Management, Forum Managers, Super Moderators, Moderators, members NEVER had problems with links to forums with porn on. How do I know? Err because I linked to RapidLinks and iRapid lots of times which had an XXX section. Jin had replied and so had previous management to my thread advertising it, NONE of them said its against the rules - if anything they said its good.

So yeah, looks like this current forum and general management are trying to be like the dictator of North Korea. If they think they are helping kids not see porn by preventing links to sites such as 4-chan, then they are nothing but stupid. Most kids - the second they start using the computer - know where to find porn.

If anything, Habbo has become less strict and Habbox has gone in the opposite direction. Well done.

I like how WSJ, Times, Guardian, NYT and all leading newspapers write articles on 4-chan. The owner gives guest lectures at top universities and yet HabboxForum filters it. L O L.

Another stupid decision.
19-07-2010, 05:42 PM
FlyingJesus

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

But they wouldn't because a site has not been named. That is a bit nonsensical Tom for someone who usually has great logic. If a member said 'google' 'teen baby sitter' and it led to inappropriate images the same action would be taken. Some member did say google something I cannot remember what the other week and it showed up extremely gory and most inappropriate images. Action was therefore taken. It is only natural for members when somebody mentions a site for them to 'google' it.

It's not nonsensical and is in fact the exact same point because you're talking about someone taking it upon themselves to do a search for something that's being discussed. Of course giving actual links to a specific page with 18+ content would be a problem, but that's obvious enough that it hasn't ever been the point of this thread.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

So what's your actual issue, Gomme? That is it okay to link to 18+ sexual material on a website that discusses other things?

Again, this has never been said. It's the fact that mere mention of the site in question (ie: not links) has led to warnings/infractions, which is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

If you google it

... then it is your own responsibility and nothing at all to do with this forum.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

They moderate the forum and 18+ sexual content is not allowed to be posted or linked. It's in the rules.

In the exact same way as the site in question is moderated and 18+ content is removed from the SFW areas. If you see something on the front page that's inappropriate it's because someone's posted it against the rules - this can and does happen any/everywhere, including here on HxF.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

I suggest you google it as I have done and click the links.

Tut tut.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

as I said before if somebody mentions a site then 99 out of a 100 a member will google it

Is that a fact? Regardless of whether it may or may not be, anyone so genuinely interested in a site that they decide to search the name of it would likely have the sense to go to the main page rather than a subsection to start off.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

Jin along with ALL previous General Management, Forum Managers, Super Moderators, Moderators, members NEVER had problems with links to forums with porn on. How do I know? Err because I linked to RapidLinks and iRapid lots of times which had an XXX section. Jin had replied and so had previous management to my thread advertising it, NONE of them said its against the rules - if anything they said its good.

Precisely. Mentioned RRT earlier (an absolutely huge forum with an XXX section) but that point was ignored, and I know for certain that RapidLinks and other such communities have been tolerated if not advertised by higher staff members in the past. That aside, this still isn't even about something as possibly debatable as posting links - it's literally about just mentioning the names, a point which makes so little sense it's apparently been deemed easier to just filter it and pretend that's a fix rather than admit to being wrong.
19-07-2010, 06:03 PM
Hecktix

I think this has got a bit out of hand and I don't want to ignore so many users therefore I am going to speak with Jin about this, as I have always been made aware that this website is not allowed to be mentioned at HabboxForum, members here post good points both for and against having the site mentioned on the forum - I have always been under the impression that the site is dodgy and untrustworthy however I've never really looked into it myself, I just checked how accessible the adult sections were before responding to this thread.

I shall also look into whether I can find the first time this came about, I seem to remember a string of PM's involving Jin and a now banned member where certain things regarding this site were mentioned.

I can only enforce the rules that I have been made aware of and since this is one of them I shall see it is dealt with until I speak to Jin as the message I get from General Management is that the site is not appropriate for HabboxForum and I do feel that there is adult content on it which is totally inappropriate for HabboxForum - however points made in this thread are valid about members being able to control what they click etc.

We aren't ignoring your views however we have been under the impression that this has not been allowed for some time - whether we can lift this or not will be down to a talk with Jin since myself, Matt and Garion either aren't completely aware of this site or don't particularly like the thought of it being on HabboxForum.
19-07-2010, 06:08 PM
Tintinnabulate

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Originally Posted by Oli

I think this has got a bit out of hand and I don't want to ignore so many users therefore I am going to speak with Jin about this, as I have always been made aware that this website is not allowed to be mentioned at HabboxForum, members here post good points both for and against having the site mentioned on the forum - I have always been under the impression that the site is dodgy and untrustworthy however I've never really looked into it myself, I just checked how accessible the adult sections were before responding to this thread.

I shall also look into whether I can find the first time this came about, I seem to remember a string of PM's involving Jin and a now banned member where certain things regarding this site were mentioned.

I can only enforce the rules that I have been made aware of and since this is one of them I shall see it is dealt with until I speak to Jin as the message I get from General Management is that the site is not appropriate for HabboxForum and I do feel that there is adult content on it which is totally inappropriate for HabboxForum - however points made in this thread are valid about members being able to control what they click etc.

We aren't ignoring your views however we have been under the impression that this has not been allowed for some time - whether we can lift this or not will be down to a talk with Jin since myself, Matt and Garion either aren't completely aware of this site or don't particularly like the thought of it being on HabboxForum.

He has never had a problem with RapidLinks or iRapid so I see no reason why he will have a problem with the adult content on 4-chan.
19-07-2010, 06:10 PM
Hecktix

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Originally Posted by Saurav

He has never had a problem with RapidLinks or iRapid so I see no reason why he will have a problem with the adult content on 4-chan.

As I said, I'll contact him - it is possible for us to be wrong on some of these things, we don't do it to be awkward.

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