If we are going to use the "Time to let it go" excuse, I think we should let go of the fact that a lot of staff put their life before Habbox :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lycan
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If we are going to use the "Time to let it go" excuse, I think we should let go of the fact that a lot of staff put their life before Habbox :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lycan
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Originally Posted by Sammeth.
Smart, that was smart, but the let it go was refering to and could only be understood to mean that i was stopping the posts from you and danny continuing the echo.
Something i would hope that the managment will do to solve this thread ( aka understanding, solving)
No one has said staff should put habbox before their life so you are the sole person who think that. so you should infact say
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Originally Posted by Sammeth.
I could have sworn someone earlier in the thread did. If not, then I apologise, but its too late for me to go searching through the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lycan
Does for some :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxay
Oh, lovely, another one of these :rolleyes:
So let's start from the beginning. This entire thing is about reputation isn't it. Not a single bit is about the other issues you raised, its attacking me for removing a few pointless reputations you recieved and infracting you, is it? Ok fine, I will defend myself.
No, what we are saying is that when you haven't logged in for a week, we do not start a thread saying "OMG PYCAN / LYCAN HASN'T LOGGED IN FOR A WEEK OR CHECKED MY PM!!" because you don't need to defend yourself against that. Apparently we do. (Apologies in advance, I *am* going to mix Pycan and Lycan up.)Quote:
Are you saying you are better than us? With saying you have a life and we perhaps don't as we are on your forum? Thats the impression I get.
You recieved an infraction for a thread that is basically asking for pointless +rep. And returning all that rep in a pointless fashion.Quote:
It is funny how I received an infraction because I received +rep from my friends and receiving reputation back as I repped them for good services... I won't go into much detail but that is pathetic.
Where did I A) Flame you or B) Refuse to take constructive criticism? The only thing I did was posted a thread about the rampant pointless rep threads in the spam forum. You did not make any comments of constructive criticism that I saw.Quote:
That nrskp4 is terrible for it! Why not learn to take criticism like every body else has too on your forum?
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I honestly can only say I like a phew managers from Habbox Forum, but there are others I despise because they are just lazy and have important life's than us and they never let us forget. Some of your staff can't even spell either... Not a good impression.
As far as I'm concerned, I treat everyone with as much respect as I can. Which is why I standardize infractions and I don't infract only some people, and additionally when someone reports something, I always deal with it instead of ignoring it (as is highly relavant to this case, the entire incident started with someone reporting the thread in question. No I will not tell you who.)Quote:
Come on, we make your forum work. At least treat us with respect as we do to you.
I hope you're not talking about me, because I've never PMd you before, except for the automated infraction message. You have a right to complain (within the rules), of course, but by the same token, I have a right to defend myself.Quote:
Not like the reply I got last time from a certain member of staff.
Everybody has a right to complain, it's exactly what I am doing. Tis' my feedback.
That's actually my attempt at humor more than anything else, to make a serious thread a little more bearable. I can't actually make too much of a joke because it has to be serious, but if its completely boring and standard nobody reads it. Its strange, I agree, but I've come to learn that it works. Except I haven't actually said *that*Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny (:
You can always ask :) I for example just sorted permissions for four departments, added VIP, replied to 42 PMs (35 of which were sitting in my inbox when I logged in), dealt with a few complaints, dropped off some prizes, spent some time in HxHD, checked on the trialists, made sure we had events and had a discussion with another admin about policy. And today was a tame day. We all have a lot to do :) I love my jobs, which is why I do them, and I can still do them, but it does kind of irritate me when people accuse me of doing absolutely no work :rolleyes: (not you, I'm just kind of making my point after my response to your quote.)Quote:
Originally Posted by harry!
I replied to your PM...Quote:
Originally Posted by lazer-man
That's a fair question. A lot of it has to do with Habbo itself. Remember, the UK hotel was up far before the US hotel was. Therefore, some of us had all our friends on the UK hotel, and we never really made the switch over. Habbox UK is the big one, therefore the most competent staff rise to the top. I'm going to reveal a staff prejudice here, so I ask that all HxW staff don't get offended, because it doesn't apply to *everyone* :P Most of us are of the common consensus that the people who can't get jobs on here and really want to work for Habbox go there. Or, the favorite quote of management, "The ones who can't get power here go there." That being said, that has slowly filtered out, and a lot of the international management is highly capable. But in the past, when they were desperate to fill slots, people just moved over there and got into management without doing work. Since we have more candidates over here, its easier to weed out those who don't work and those who do. You're right, it does seem unnatural, but when you see it through from the beginning it makes some kind of sense :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Lycan
NOTE: Most of the HxW staff currently are terrific at what they do. What I described above is mostly from the past, though its somewhat true now, because MOD jobs are so hard to come by here, a lot of people mod on the international Habbox.
As the desk closed and reopened, and the old management were lost, we did not know who were trialists and who weren't. We knew those who had permissions and who didn't. However we did post an activity thread, and we went based on those. The people who replied got in with the next wave. Looking through my PMs, the day you got VIP (7-18) and a seven day period after, I have no PMs about it. As you were saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by !Lily
Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If people in school weren't allowed to work here, I think we would have three members of staff. All members of staff would have to be paid, because not many adults will work for free on a Habbo fansite. Therefore a lot of our services will shut down. A lot. We can't even afford to pay like 3 normal salaries. 2,000 pounds a year, way below minimum wage? No way. Maybe one person. That's it. Most 17-19 year olds go to college.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lycan
For security reasons the number of admins are kept low. We also recently lost several management members, for example Tomlegend was great with stepping in wherever help is needed. MAD, myself, and J1MI could not take on his workload, because of the very thing you are complaining about, we don't take on more than we can chew, because we know it would affect our ability to provide services.Quote:
Could of replaced your self for 2 weeks... to another high management staff?
He's right, he did ask me, but that night a family emergency popped up, something I could not control, and as people have probably noticed, my activity was severely limited for a few days due to long nights and days. If you want us to be replaced every time we have a family emergency beyond our control, then half of Habbox would be fired by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshuar
Its actually true. Its difficult to do, but its something sierk, myself, and MAD have all taught ourselves to do. I have banned, infracted, and warned friends (yesterday included) because its my job, and I have to be unbiased. Unfortunately, some friends can't accept that I don't give favoritism when enforcing the rules, but I guess that shows who are true friends and who are just in it to suck up. Useful sort of, though its rather dissapointing when someone I liked turns out to be one of the suck up variety and not really a friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pycan
You were warned for pointless repping because people have complained about the system recently. When you are repping back just for rep, it is pointless. What would be allowed is going through the other person's posts, finding a genuinely good post, and repping them for *that*. Just putting "Good post" if the post is "yeah, I know" or "blahblah is trusted" will be deleted, because its quite obvious that you were covering up another post. But I think Chris and I have sorted out the problems he had with this. Like I said, I bear no ill will towards him, I actually thought and think he's a pretty decent guy, but I can't treat him differently than I would someone else in the same situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neversoft
They do, we just haven't recieved payment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lycan
We did go over that via PM, two or three of those got bunched in with the rest, and we agreed that a bunch were pointless, there are some we still disagree on, but he did say it was against the rules, just that he didn't agree that it *should* be against the rules, which is a different issue. I did treat you with respect, in that wasn't rude or attacked you personally. However, when it comes to enforcing the rules, everyone gets treated on the same level. For example, people who donate to the police department aren't allowed a shorter sentence for murder or robbery. (Of course, murder or robbery is more serious in a fashion, however when you consider it, its about equal when you realize the scope of things you can actually do on here.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neversoft
We don't, there's a specific rule against it, and we enforce it. I'd know, its the #1 thing I infract or warn staff members for, as a matter of fact I removed two today. I'd show you them for proof, but that's a breach of privacy :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Lycan
We care about it as people complain about how ridiculous the system is getting. And it is getting ridiculous, especially with the rulebreaking. Reputation related issues are becoming a huge part of the rulebreaking we have to deal with. Thus it directly affects our ability to deal with other matters, because we spend so much time dealing with these rep threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxay
Its taken in context as well, if you rep someone who says "20 rep to 18 power!!" saying Good Post, the moderators *are* human and have the ability to recognize that it was, of course, pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pycan
You were not the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neversoft
I honestly don't mean to make fun of you or attempt to insult you or anything, I'm asking this in complete honesty, but what issue are you talking about? I get contacted about so many things, polite and not, so I don't really assosciate it to a specific member. And I don't hold grudges either ;) There was someone that I severely disliked, but they had a good application, I hired them, and they became an Assistant Manager. If I held a grudge against everyone that said something rude to me, or did something I disliked, I would hate half of Habbox. So I've learned to bear the grudge for two days and forget about it, plus, by then I probably have some other hate-thread from a member of staff I infracted :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pycan
We really don't want to have to ban for rep. Trust me, like we *REALLY* don't. Its a last alternative. You'll probably get an infraction before a ban. But putting it in the PM is a wakeup call, and like I said, you're not the only one who got it. And thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neversoft
We usually try to PM people with the reason it wasn't removed. At least I did, but to be fair on Josh, when I dealt with it, we had about 1/10 as many reports as he does now. Also, posts that don't follow the right format are instantly deleted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lycan
We don't like people who kick up a fuss for personal benefit, but we learn to get past it. People who genuinely believe in what they're saying, and aren't doing it because they want something is different. And it doesn't mean I've classified you in the first group btw. I'm not even going to bother, because as soon as this is done and dusted, I'll just move on.
Its the Jewish New Year which is today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxay
I keep myself invisible, purely because sometimes I go away from my computer for a few hours and just hit switch user, when I go out with my friends or have a soccer game or something, and I don't want people to think I'm ignoring them when they PM me and see me online, because I try to deal with things in a timely fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lycan
Infractions can be reported, the email man (Tomlegend) recently resigned, and you were treated the same way as others, which shows that it was fair across the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pycan
As for the VIP issue: Yes, we only did realize it now, because up until yesterday or two days ago, nobody thought to PM me about the issue, and posted it in relatively obscure threads where we could not realize. Only now when someone PMd me, then another, I realized that there was an issue, but I can't exactly take care of an issue when I don't know what's happening.
I wonder how many people will actually read that...xD
But hey, maybe the fact that I took the time to read and respond to all that will say something to the thread starters and their supporters saying we don't care nor work ;)
EDIT: HOLY CRUD that is WAY long!!!
I trust anyone until I have a reason not to. I don't believe that HxF should go on this standard, but maybe sometimes close to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxay
Great that you've responded to some of the Major points i've picked out but there is still one i'd love to see your view on another one of my posts,
Sadly its been removed because it contained a quote from another member (which was ofcourse a Private message)
The point was that repping someone with the comment 'Good post' cannot be deemed pointless, as the person may of enjoyed the post or agreed with it, or perhaps it made them laugh yet Pycan appears to have 4 of theese on the list sent to him.
I also like that you have responded to my thoughts around the two forums as i've tried to keep the thread on track with the problems i feel are around the forum.
Perhaps an exchanging of roles would be an idea, if we think you arn't doing a good enough job relating to some aspects perhaps give thoose people a chance to do the job and ether feel the stress and problems you and/or other staff seem to have.
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When you say...
We don't like people who kick up a fuss for personal benefit, but we learn to get past it. People who genuinely believe in what they're saying, and aren't doing it because they want something is different. And it doesn't mean I've classified you in the first group btw. I'm not even going to bother, because as soon as this is done and dusted, I'll just move on.
Does that mean that nothing will come of this thread and you do see it as a 'fuss' or ....
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when you say
Its taken in context as well, if you rep someone who says "20 rep to 18 power!!" saying Good Post, the moderators *are* human and have the ability to recognize that it was, of course, pointless.
What if the rep was a 'owed' rep and that was the persons most recent thread as they coudn't search or find the one it was aimed for.
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When you say
Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If people in school weren't allowed to work here, I think we would have three members of staff. All members of staff would have to be paid, because not many adults will work for free on a Habbo fansite. Therefore a lot of our services will shut down. A lot. We can't even afford to pay like 3 normal salaries. 2,000 pounds a year, way below minimum wage? No way. Maybe one person. That's it. Most 17-19 year olds go to college.
My remark was for such vital jobs, and by school children i meant thoose in secondary school and not thoose in college/sixth form. as thoose in sixthform/college/uni who come to this forum have much more free time like myself and quite a few others. we arn't trying to say you don't do a good job we are trying to say perhaps someone with more time at a more mature level should be given a chance
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When you say:That's a fair question. A lot of it has to do with Habbo itself. Remember, the UK hotel was up far before the US hotel was. Therefore, some of us had all our friends on the UK hotel, and we never really made the switch over. Habbox UK is the big one, therefore the most competent staff rise to the top. I'm going to reveal a staff prejudice here, so I ask that all HxW staff don't get offended, because it doesn't apply to *everyone* :P Most of us are of the common consensus that the people who can't get jobs on here and really want to work for Habbox go there. Or, the favorite quote of management, "The ones who can't get power here go there." That being said, that has slowly filtered out, and a lot of the international management is highly capable. But in the past, when they were desperate to fill slots, people just moved over there and got into management without doing work. Since we have more candidates over here, its easier to weed out those who don't work and those who do. You're right, it does seem unnatural, but when you see it through from the beginning it makes some kind of sense :P
it does seem that even if you have more candidates on the UK forum they could easily be pushed to the US/CA/International forum as Habbox is one big family of sites (is it not?) perhaps pushing more US staff to work ether as a second job or primary job on a US timezone site might help. i say this in only to jobs that require responses quickly/ where member stress level could get higher from having to wait. on a lighter note i coudn't get a job on Habbox UK, so i tried Habbox International and managed to get a job but sadly did not agree with a few of the other staff members tatics and promotions (strange that i would argue, but i only argue when there is something i feel is out of place or unfair to others as well as myself)
and overall, if i had the Quote tags in the c+p i would of used them, but i did read all fo your post, Posted then edited over 10 minutes... fantastic.
Then some newb trys to take over the forum and messes itup :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by 348GTS
Indeed. :)Quote:
Oh, lovely, another one of these :rolleyes:
The entire thread is all about the infractions, reputation, and bad management and anything else people have a problem about.Quote:
So let's start from the beginning. This entire thing is about reputation isn't it. Not a single bit is about the other issues you raised, its attacking me for removing a few pointless reputations you recieved and infracting you, is it? Ok fine, I will defend myself.
Here is the first step of NRSKP4's immaturity. You don't need to post a thread on us because we are not staff members.Quote:
No, what we are saying is that when you haven't logged in for a week, we do not start a thread saying "OMG PYCAN / LYCAN HASN'T LOGGED IN FOR A WEEK OR CHECKED MY PM!!" because you don't need to defend yourself against that. Apparently we do. (Apologies in advance, I *am* going to mix Pycan and Lycan up.)
We asked for pointless rep?Quote:
You recieved an infraction for a thread that is basically asking for pointless +rep. And returning all that rep in a pointless fashion.
Find the words, "Please give me reputation" then? In the spam section if you are talking about, The thread was aimed at LeftForDead for starting ana rgument asking why I had more reputation than him. Obviously because people trust me more and respect me more.
I would prove but the old Habbox Feedback threads have been deleted. Hmmm.Quote:
Where did I A) Flame you or B) Refuse to take constructive criticism? The only thing I did was posted a thread about the rampant pointless rep threads in the spam forum. You did not make any comments of constructive criticism that I saw.
It is weird how you gave me and Neversoft (I apologize if name isn't right) the same type of warning, yet I got a more serious infraction. Yet others didn't even receive one?! Why is it just us 2 when theres 100's of members that rep every day? I find it unfair, if you punish 1 or 2 punish them all. If it was people with 1 rep you wouldn't care, but because it is 43 rep you do care. Interesting.Quote:
As far as I'm concerned, I treat everyone with as much respect as I can. Which is why I standardize infractions and I don't infract only some people, and additionally when someone reports something, I always deal with it instead of ignoring it (as is highly relavant to this case, the entire incident started with someone reporting the thread in question. No I will not tell you who.)
I put in a complaint about you 3 months ago I think ti is now. No reply... Makes me think that you are all besties and don't care what users think about you as your job is no threat... you are all loved mates.Quote:
I hope you're not talking about me, because I've never PMd you before, except for the automated infraction message. You have a right to complain (within the rules), of course, but by the same token, I have a right to defend myself.
Why not be professional and deal with it? This is a serious matter, you should not make it humorous,. Not one of you have replied saying yes, we will do something about it. Thank you. All you have done is defend your self.Quote:
That's actually my attempt at humor more than anything else, to make a serious thread a little more bearable. I can't actually make too much of a joke because it has to be serious, but if its completely boring and standard nobody reads it. Its strange, I agree, but I've come to learn that it works. Except I haven't actually said *that*
Words are 99% different. If one of your forum staff lie... it's got me thinking.Quote:
You can always ask :) I for example just sorted permissions for four departments, added VIP, replied to 42 PMs (35 of which were sitting in my inbox when I logged in), dealt with a few complaints, dropped off some prizes, spent some time in HxHD, checked on the trialists, made sure we had events and had a discussion with another admin about policy. And today was a tame day. We all have a lot to do :) I love my jobs, which is why I do them, and I can still do them, but it does kind of irritate me when people accuse me of doing absolutely no work :rolleyes: (not you, I'm just kind of making my point after my response to your quote.)
If habbox was in thew real working days, you would be fired now, so would 80% of habbox staff. Luckily... it isn't.Quote:
He's right, he did ask me, but that night a family emergency popped up, something I could not control, and as people have probably noticed, my activity was severely limited for a few days due to long nights and days. If you want us to be replaced every time we have a family emergency beyond our control, then half of Habbox would be fired by now.
Mad said "Good Post" is okay...?Quote:
You were warned for pointless repping because people have complained about the system recently. When you are repping back just for rep, it is pointless. What would be allowed is going through the other person's posts, finding a genuinely good post, and repping them for *that*. Just putting "Good post" if the post is "yeah, I know" or "blahblah is trusted" will be deleted, because its quite obvious that you were covering up another post. But I think Chris and I have sorted out the problems he had with this. Like I said, I bear no ill will towards him, I actually thought and think he's a pretty decent guy, but I can't treat him differently than I would someone else in the same situation.
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Hey :),
You seem to have mis-understood what the reputation system is actually for. Its not to give points to your friends but rather to praise users for a good post/thread they have made that you like or agree with.
Thanks
MAD
So can I have my reputation that was unfairly removed back now please. :)
Yes but you are not giving them access to things people have spent hours making and organising ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by 348GTS
We cannot randomly make anyone an administrator or manager because they have a lot of power and can destroy a department if we are not careful. Obviously we have backups to rely on but putting up a backup every day will annoy both staff and users at the same time.