Homosexuality in the eyes of God

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

Could god make it so you had never existed. Since your existing now thats immposible, since althogh he can make you stop existing, you have existed for this time, so dispite any power its compleaty immposible for it to be so that you had never existed "/ it may be as if you had never existed, but god would know you had by his action meaning the fact could not be changed.

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That's a good point, but despite the fact God knowing I existed, he could remove all traces of my existence and I technically wouldn't have existed. I would basically be something in his imagination then, like if I just thought up a non-existent imaginary person, I have them in my mind but it doesn't mean they exist.

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Originally Posted by Virgin Mary

That's a good point, but despite the fact God knowing I existed, he could remove all traces of my existence and I technically wouldn't have existed. I would basically be something in his imagination then, like if I just thought up a non-existent imaginary person, I have them in my mind but it doesn't mean they exist.

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But you are a real person =/

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Originally Posted by Virgin Mary

That's a good point, but despite the fact God knowing I existed, he could remove all traces of my existence and I technically wouldn't have existed. I would basically be something in his imagination then, like if I just thought up a non-existent imaginary person, I have them in my mind but it doesn't mean they exist.

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No god knows you existed, and even if he didnt, the fact remains that you still would have existed?
Then again, theres nothing to say there is a real existance and all that is, is simply not gods imagaintion to start with? if that were so then imagaintion would be what is real so the point remainds, you cannot get around it "/

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

No it doesnt, it means all powerful...

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Yes, and an all-powerful being can do anything.

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

Square is a consept, The name square can be altered, the consept cant. its a priori. You can clame its so, but it can never be so, since the consept is relative to us, and hence are own understandings of the consept are what assign it the word by which it is refered, so god could make it so we call 3 sided shapes sqaures, but he could never make a 3 sided shape meet the consept of a square, he could make people belive it did, but it still would not.

Actaly thats free choise, and its quite easy overcome, as ive shown 3 times now...

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No, you're still not getting it. You're trying to prove your point using logic and human knowledge, which doesn't cover omnipotency. Concepts, logic, knowledge, laws of science, reality, all of these can be overcome by an omnipotent being. I'm not saying that God exists because of this, simply that if there was an omnipotent deity, there would be nothing that He couldn't do - including the "impossible".

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

The same part also cleary says your going to hell if you miss your weekly animal sacrivise, or if you fail to stone crimals to death, as well as alot of helpful advice on selling slaves, or your daughter for that matter...

So you support selling children as slaves? o.0 Even though the new testiment contrasdictis this compleaty...
If you think slavery is accepatble behavior i worry for you...

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I don't support it, no, but I believe that if one is to follow a religion (which I don't) then one should follow it to the last detail. Every other religion does so, but Judaism and Christianity seem to have slacked rather a lot, scrapping certain parts of their holy scripts and even twisting meanings so that they can do as they please. As a side note, I was always of the opinion that in the Old Testament they were in the habit of selling their children as servants rather than slaves, but nonetheless there are Biblical laws about how one should treat a slave fairly, and slavery in those times was not the same horrific practise that we know it to be (or at least, it wasn't until the Egyptians took hold).

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Yes, and an all-powerful being can do anything.

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Even paradoxes?

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Yes, and an all-powerful being can do anything.

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Can he create something more powerful than himself?
And its still not anything

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No, you're still not getting it. You're trying to prove your point using logic and human knowledge, which doesn't cover omnipotency. Concepts, logic, knowledge, laws of science, reality, all of these can be overcome by an omnipotent being. I'm not saying that God exists because of this, simply that if there was an omnipotent deity, there would be nothing that He couldn't do - including the "impossible".

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Rationalise it then, You cant, Impossible is impossible even to god "/ human understanding has limits, but the rationlisation comes before that "/

Read the mediation one of descaretes for a nice lenghthy very persises and well construycted prooof that logic holds up even to god.

Even when its not actaly neeeded since got being benevlent would NEVER interonaly dellude us anyway...

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I don't support it, no, but I believe that if one is to follow a religion (which I don't) then one should follow it to the last detail. Every other religion does so, but Judaism and Christianity seem to have slacked rather a lot, scrapping certain parts of their holy scripts and even twisting meanings so that they can do as they please. As a side note, I was always of the opinion that in the Old Testament they were in the habit of selling their children as servants rather than slaves, but nonetheless there are Biblical laws about how one should treat a slave fairly, and slavery in those times was not the same horrific practise that we know it to be (or at least, it wasn't until the Egyptians took hold).

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Hard to do when the bible contradicts itself, Christanty has both "an eye for an eye" and "turn the other cheek in" it. Which one are people supposed to be following...

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Originally Posted by Craig

Even paradoxes?

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If God created all that there is now, then God created logic and order, therefore I think God should be able to bend the rules of something he created.

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Originally Posted by Virgin Mary

If God created all that there is now, then God created logic and order, therefore I think God should be able to bend the rules of something he created.

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Take away logic the consept of god ceases to exist? so god cant exist if he defiys paradox's anyway...

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

Take away logic the consept of god ceases to exist? so god cant exist if he defiys paradox's anyway...

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The logic that applies to us won't apply to him.

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Originally Posted by Virgin Mary

The logic that applies to us won't apply to him.

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Then god isnt omnipitant or omnicient.
We understand these consepts rationaly, If rationality is said to be false then we dont know god at all, hence we cannot judge if hes all powerful or benevolent or anything? hence god cant do anything or have any attribute since they would have to be known logicaly, without logic god cannot exist "/