Derren Brown to predict national lottery numbers

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Originally Posted by DarkEnemy

I'm sorry but I just don't believe it, Firstly if you were watching it his facial expression was all an act. He was trying to act shocked when the numbers came out, but you could see right through it. This was not a prediction in my eyes. What i think was done was as the numbers were being called out the numbers on the balls were being change, I would believe it if he showed us the numbers he predicted it to be first then showed the acctual lottery, he said they couldn't for legal reasons. Perhaps I'm just being negative because in my mind I think its impossible.

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Of course he didn't predict the lottery numbers, we all know that!

What we're trying to figure out is how he got the numbers on the balls without us seeing.

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Originally Posted by Smits

http://poeljames.googlepages.com/HowDerrenDidIt.html

Best explanation i've seen

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That's spot on.

It seems likely that the split screen is true, although when you usually watch other DB things, you usually think you've got it and then he twists it on it's head and reveals he did it some totally different way, so it wouldn't surprise me if that happens... But, I wouldn't be surprised if it was split screen.

I give up reading page after page of, 'omgzz why didn't he buy a lottery ticket???' HE DIDN'T PREDICT THE NATIONAL LOTTERY DRAW. IT WAS AN ILLUSION. YOU WILL FIND OUT HOW (he wants you to think) THE ILLUSION HAPPENED TONIGHT :).

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Originally Posted by DarkEnemy

I'm sorry but I just don't believe it, Firstly if you were watching it his facial expression was all an act. He was trying to act shocked when the numbers came out, but you could see right through it. This was not a prediction in my eyes. What i think was done was as the numbers were being called out the numbers on the balls were being change, I would believe it if he showed us the numbers he predicted it to be first then showed the acctual lottery, he said they couldn't for legal reasons. Perhaps I'm just being negative because in my mind I think its impossible.

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Everything he does is part of the act. When he muddles up words, when he "forgets" someone's name, when he "forgets" which envelope they picked, when he double-checks what's in each envelope, how he seems to sort of ramble a bit when he's talking a lot and how he speaks quite quickly - it's all little things that are part of the overall spectacle.

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Originally Posted by ksoz

How can he make them forget but not us? [...]

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We weren't constantly fixated on the whole show like the audience were. We saw it from various camera angles at different times. We probably didn't even see the whole thing as parts may have been cut out; for example if he did hypnotise anybody, that can not be broadcast on TV.

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Originally Posted by Robald

I give up reading page after page of, 'omgzz why didn't he buy a lottery ticket???' HE DIDN'T PREDICT THE NATIONAL LOTTERY DRAW. IT WAS AN ILLUSION. YOU WILL FIND OUT HOW (he wants you to think) THE ILLUSION HAPPENED TONIGHT :).



Everything he does is part of the act. When he muddles up words, when he "forgets" someone's name, when he "forgets" which envelope they picked, when he double-checks what's in each envelope, how he seems to sort of ramble a bit when he's talking a lot and how he speaks quite quickly - it's all little things that are part of the overall spectacle.



We weren't constantly fixated on the whole show like the audience were. We saw it from various camera angles at different times. We probably didn't even see the whole thing as parts may have been cut out; for example if he did hypnotise anybody, that can not be broadcast on TV.

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Exactly

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Originally Posted by Smits

http://poeljames.googlepages.com/HowDerrenDidIt.html

Best explanation i've seen

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Yeah I believe that is true out of all the suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Robald

I give up reading page after page of, 'omgzz why didn't he buy a lottery ticket???' HE DIDN'T PREDICT THE NATIONAL LOTTERY DRAW. IT WAS AN ILLUSION. YOU WILL FIND OUT HOW (he wants you to think) THE ILLUSION HAPPENED TONIGHT :).



Everything he does is part of the act. When he muddles up words, when he "forgets" someone's name, when he "forgets" which envelope they picked, when he double-checks what's in each envelope, how he seems to sort of ramble a bit when he's talking a lot and how he speaks quite quickly - it's all little things that are part of the overall spectacle.



We weren't constantly fixated on the whole show like the audience were. We saw it from various camera angles at different times. We probably didn't even see the whole thing as parts may have been cut out; for example if he did hypnotise anybody, that can not be broadcast on TV.

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Regarding the part in bold, I think that's wrong. Richard Hammond was hyponitised by Paul McKenna on Top Gear once...

edit: ah the actual hypnosis being performed can't be shown, but when they're "under" it can, if that's what you meant then sorry, you're right.

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Originally Posted by Hitman

Regarding the part in bold, I think that's wrong. Richard Hammond was hyponitised by Paul McKenna on Top Gear once...

edit: ah the actual hypnosis being performed can't be shown, but when they're "under" it can, if that's what you meant then sorry, you're right.

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Yeah I meant the actual hypnotising process :).

As for the theory in that link, it sounds the most plausible so far but if it does turn out to be how he did it, it's going to be one hell of a drag to fill the time slot but more importantly, I'll have much less respect for Mr. Brown.

I don't see the point of an illusionist who we all know is capable of extraordinary things, lowering himself to such a basic, boring and pointless "trick" that quite frankly anyone could do. Camera tricks can't be considered illusions in my opinion; you don't need years of experience and practicing as you obviously do with most of Derren Brown's work, just to tell a camera man to freeze a screen and overlap it onto a live screen :rolleyes:.

The only reason there is so much hype around this is Derren Brown. We have seen what he can do so we expect greater things. If it was someone unknown, we'd probably assume they were going to use a simple camera trick but because it's Derren Brown, you almost completely exclude that possibility. The only thing that allows me to believe there is a chance that this is the case, is the horse race thing he did. That was also another pointless exercise as far as he's concerned. All that did was basically tell us the probability of winning when you have betted on all outcomes = 100%. Cheers mate, didn't know you were a maths teacher :eusa_clap.

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Originally Posted by Robald

Yeah I meant the actual hypnotising process :).

As for the theory in that link, it sounds the most plausible so far but if it does turn out to be how he did it, it's going to be one hell of a drag to fill the time slot but more importantly, I'll have much less respect for Mr. Brown.

I don't see the point of an illusionist who we all know is capable of extraordinary things, lowering himself to such a basic, boring and pointless "trick" that quite frankly anyone could do. Camera tricks can't be considered illusions in my opinion; you don't need years of experience and practicing as you obviously do with most of Derren Brown's work, just to tell a camera man to freeze a screen and overlap it onto a live screen :rolleyes:.

The only reason there is so much hype around this is Derren Brown. We have seen what he can do so we expect greater things. If it was someone unknown, we'd probably assume they were going to use a simple camera trick but because it's Derren Brown, you almost completely exclude that possibility. The only thing that allows me to believe there is a chance that this is the case, is the horse race thing he did. That was also another pointless exercise as far as he's concerned. All that did was basically tell us the probability of winning when you have betted on all outcomes = 100%. Cheers mate, didn't know you were a maths teacher :eusa_clap.

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I will also lose some respect towards him if it does turn out to be camera trickery... almost anybody can do that with the right tools...

He did say it took him a year, so it must be something more than just split screen or whatever... I hope it's good, just 2 hours and 45 mins til we find out! :D

I'm going to have a guess that it's both a mix of camera trickery and some sort of big trick he had up his sleeve. Maybe even literally.