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yes. it could be argued forever (metaphorically speaking). But, I'm reaching the point where I'm thinking, whats the point of arguing if not to convert.Quote:
Originally Posted by :BlueTails
Ironically, now I'm going to watch Hellraiser. Good Night.
The universe? Well, that all began with the Big Bang. But I'm sure you're familiar with that, and the process that followed. I simply can't believe that a greater power had anything to do with it. Why, if God created the world in under a week, is there evidence of creation/existence millions of years ago, before humans came to be? Surely, if he made humans in that same week he created the world, there shouldn't have been living creatures beforehand? If God exists, can you explain this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest-Law
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Originally Posted by Flunky-Sunset!
I don't believe the bible to be the literal word of God, so someone else who feels differently may feel free to answer this.
Any discussion of the Big Bang theory would be incomplete without asking the question, what about God? This is because cosmogony (the study of the origin of the universe) is an area where science and theology meet. Creation was a supernatural event. That is, it took place outside of the natural realm. This fact begs the question: is there anything else which exists outside of the natural realm? Specifically, is there a master Architect out there? We know that this universe had a beginning. Was God the "First Cause"?
this is again hypoctoitcal, if the univce need first cause for the big bang to happen. Then god would have need creaton, or first cause for him to come around for him to be able to do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest-Law
God, unlike the universe, had no beginning, so does not need a cause. (bear with me) In addition, Einstein’s general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linkd to matter and space. So time itslf would have begun along wiht matter and space at the beginning of the universe. Since god, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therfore He is not limited by the time dimension He creatd, so he has no begining in time. Therefore he does not have, or need to have, a cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by mentor
In contrast, there is good evidence that the universe had a beginning. I'll explain one, which goes as following;
- The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
If the total amount of mass-energy is limited, and the amount of usable energy is decreasing, then the universe cannot have existed forever.
it is selfevident that things tht begin have a cause—no one really denies it in their heart. All science, history and law enforcment would collapse if this law of cause and effect were denied. Also, the universe cannot be selfcaused —nohting can create itself, because it would need to exist before it came into existence, a logical absurdity.
Which ever way you look at it — the evidence from the Bible, the incredibly complex, organized information in living things, or the origin of the universe — the conclusion in an all-powerful, all-knowing creator god, is completely viable.
If u still think einstaines theary of realtivy is the scintific argument of today no wonder u dont get it? his thearys anchent and been revinced and discreted 1000s of times, where now in the relms of string theary, and m theary etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest-Law
Thers proof that the univcer had a beinging, but no proof god had anything to do with it, and modern scinace is not based on cause an effect, quantom theary more aless dicredits that, and says thats stuff can happen without effect on a cosntant basis, its all startcical, there is a possibly i could walk threw a wall, but the statical chance is so low, i never will, but on a quantom level the scale is so small, this sort of thing would happen cosntantly "/Quote:
In contrast, there is good evidence that the universe had a beginning. I'll explain one, which goes as following;
- The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
If the total amount of mass-energy is limited, and the amount of usable energy is decreasing, then the universe cannot have existed forever.
it is selfevident that things tht begin have a cause—no one really denies it in their heart. All science, history and law enforcment would collapse if this law of cause and effect were denied. Also, the universe cannot be selfcaused —nohting can create itself, because it would need to exist before it came into existence, a logical absurdity.
Or just natral evelotion over a long enog period of time, wich was demostated by the "Life" game, wich u can google and download and view for yoruself. Before exsiance, no time no nothjingt, there were no rules to abside by, so somthing could very easly creat itself, since theres nothing stoping it from dosing so, if thats not true, then god could also not be able to exist ouside of everything, and anyway that would mean a impersonal god, not like the one descirbed in the bible or any other text realkted to the cristan religionQuote:
Which ever way you look at it — the evidence from the Bible, the incredibly complex, organized information in living things, or the origin of the universe — the conclusion in an all-powerful, all-knowing creator god, is completely viable.
I freaking hate you for making this :P Death is my worst fear. Heights nah Spiders nah. Death yes what happens after we die. I am Christian and believe in god but sometiems I doubt the religon. I just try to shake it off
dont make god angry or else
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My Opinion- I think hes real im a christian i go to church every sunday , morning and night and wed. nights! So i believe in god
To an extent.
I find religions a waste of time though as they're created by man and man is fallible.
But you have to believe in something otherwise you live a pretty useless life. I don't care what you believe in, it could just be that you believe that a giant shoe created the earth and that if you were good then you'll get to lace it for all eternity. As long as it's something. And you can't really back up beliefs... it's called faith. It can't be proven, it can't be disproven. We'll just find out when we get there, but until then enjoy your life and hope that there's something after it.