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Originally Posted by
Pycan
So why aren't mine?
Which ones specifically?
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That's why im saying you need to take a risk.
What risk? :P
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Okay then, as you wish. I'll +rep everybody that you took away and find a good post then?
-Shrug- Go for it. As long as its within the rules, its not a problem.
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Urgh! Read all the thread again!
Sorry no, I'd rather not read 15 pages again just for a single point that I don't even know is there :P
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Was it LeftForDead that reported it? I bet it was. ;) I'll report something of his after this.
We, or at least I, do not say anything about people who report things. And that's not to say that it *is* him, however you might have a list of three people you know it has to be for whatever reason, and it may narrow that list down :)
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This is where laziness comes then?
There were 370 new threads and over 3500 new posts today. Its not laziness, its an impossible feat to check every one of those. We do look over the threads, but our resources are limited, like it or not we have to mostly depend on post reports.
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Blad3r - Name change.
All posts with that name change ;)
Perhaps it had no merit.
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What on earth is held in the water? Then re say that paragraph because I never understood one thing.
Switch held water with is / was valid. It should make sense then.
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Read the whole thing then.
:rolleyes: Sorry I'm not going to read an entire thread for something that isn't there.
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No water means? (Is this just an American thing or what?)
It basically means its invalid. I dunno, maybe it is an American saying :S Literally, by not holding water, it means that the thing is sort of insubstantial, IE: it isn't there, therefore it can't hold water.
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That made me lol. It obviously is an issue. Obviously.
How is it obviously an issue when 3-5 people have posted in support, and its against the rules?
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Read the thread from the beginning.
No offense my friend, but I'm not going to read through the thread again and again, simply to try and find points that you made. Since you made the accusation, you have the burden of proof. If you can't show me it, how can I believe it?
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I am guessing that is for the reputation? Now what about the other problems?
All the other problems stem from reputations. The infractions - for reputation. Laziness - because we supposedly don't check reputation and/or don't check all 350 threads / 3500 posts. etc. etc.
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I made the report via to MAD, and the contact us link at the bottom of the page. The complain states every quoted bit that I thought was "unnecessarily" done by you. *Is still waiting for a reply*
Well perhaps they felt that the complaint was not valid. The person who did emails is no longer with us. However, its also important to remember that at one point we had no email person, so when Tomlegend took over, the 2,000 emails in the inbox were deleted.
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Do you still even have that private complaint I sent you via email?
It states everything in that too.
I wouldn't know, I don't check it :) After a while, our filters do a cleanup of things over X days old though.
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Which I thanked you for. Doesn't mean I still like you? You are doing your "job". My opinion in you does not change.
So now you agree that I'm not lazy and do do my job? :P
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Complaints here. W are not talking about "good" ideas.
If you make a complaint, suggest a fix? Then if its decided that it is an issue, the fix may be implemented.
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Originally Posted by
Hollywood
i love nvrspk4 when he does essays =D
I :love3: you too. :P
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Originally Posted by
Pycan
Of course I care about rep...
Big factor of trust...
Unfortunately, the reputation system is no longer about trust, its more about "Who has more friends...or more money...or more rep power."
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Was his choice to debate back about it. All he could of said was thank you for this. We will discuss this upon the managers and get back to you.
If we did, you would have never heard from us again. Almost guaranteed. If we didn't actually unearth the issues behind it, we would have nothing to work on, if we decide it was an issue. If we get an idea even, we may say, good idea, I see no reason why this can't happen. It probably won't happen. But if we say, Good idea, and go into the logistics of it, and some proposals for further discussion, it means we may try and do something. Its the same thing here. Sure I could've said "I'll look into it" but 9/10 I wouldn't've done anything then. I debate in here to give the members a *chance* at getting what they want done. Or if they can't I debate so that they know why, and then they can consider these factors in the future. I don't debate *just* to be adversarial. Anyone who wrote this much just to dissent would be, well...:eusa_wall
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I can, opensourcehost. Why are admins/staff are leaving? I'm looking in the wrong direction? What are you on about?
What he's trying to say is that our admin team has been halved over the last month or two, leaving more to me, such as odd jobs that nobody else can pick up. Such as responses to Habbox.com things, and Habbo Name changes. There's usually a miscellaneous Admin-In-Training waiting for a spot who does these. We've cut down on the number of admins as well, the second AFM has gone. Admins are leaving because school is coming. Simple as :)
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Originally Posted by
---MAD---
In my opinion, you cannot trust someone just from their rep or post count. Rep can be bought so it pretty much destroys the whole point of the system. I am not sure why Habbox even decided to offer people to be able to purchase rep years ago, my guess is it was a popular request by VIP members ages ago.
I agree. Now I have to feel old, because I *know* why buying rep was introduced. For the record, this is why rep was introduced. VIP was in place, and back then you still got 15 points for VIP. So, these people were having MASSIVE rep wars, and what they were doing is purchasing ridiculous amounts of VIP, just for the 15/month. Irrational right? I guess not to them. Tidus was one, if anyone remembers them. However I guess since less were buying VIP then, Habbox was harder pressed to pay their server bills (remember, we didn't have Google Ads at that point) and so they offered buying reputation, which was a hit. I think we should look into removing it, however.
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Admins/staff are leaving mainly because of the new school term. This is the normal cycle of staff at Habbox and usually most Habbo fansites but more Habbox so because it has more staff than most fansites I think.
Agreed :)
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Staff usually resign at new school term and then before exams in June or whatever, thats how it usually goes every year.
Yeah, and also performance drops till November and till July, because some staff go on temporary breaks, which we allow, because education is top priority.
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Originally Posted by
Lycan
There are still clues about for who has bought rep,
A user whos signed up in the last 4 months with alot of bars and high rep power has bought it..
chances are the user will remain a VIP (because well if they can afford to spend money on rep and can afford to just keep renewing)
Oh yes, there are clues. But I could show you Rep Buyers in the most unlikely places...of course I wouldn't, because I don't do that. I do, however, speak up, when people who actually earned (or at least recieved from members) rep are abused because its thought they've bought it, cause that's just not right and I'm the only one who can prove it :P
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And i'm pretty sure rep only kicked in last year as i remember when you coudn't buy rep and i've only been registered for 2 years.
Rep has always been here, you've been able to buy rep since...err...I think when JackHB was VIP manager. Might've been after Dave, I can't be sure on that one.
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And tbh the same is true about post counts, someone who has a high postcount over a short period of time normally means spammed. while a slower continous post over several years is more trusted.
Not necessarily, because someone can still post crap, just at a slower rate :P
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But thats only how i trust people, sadly i normally look at member with a high post count an rep count more then VIPs.
I personally look at the join date. That is the most indicative factor for me, well as well as their demeanor in the post I am looking at. The way people conduct themselves and express themselves play a huge role in how I judge people. And for me, first impressions are key, though not final :)
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not sure what that has to o with the thread in its current state, but its nice to see that the thread is still drawing conversation and debate over the problems or feeligs of the members around staff and reputation, even if Danny (Pycan) appears to yell his views rather then use his indoor voice
Heh. Each of us has a different way of expressing it, although the way we do often decides how much we can get done with our views ;)
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Originally Posted by
Neversoft
That was rather unnecessary. :S
Yeah, it was a bit overkill, but I felt it was necessary to close the point completely, as that really isn't up for debate, it was blatent rulebreaking and I had consensus on that one from fellow admins :P Sorry about the overbeating of the point.
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Originally Posted by
Lycan
In awnser to Nvrs earlier post, i am indeed Male, and i do respect his long detailed responses to each of the problems or queries i have posted. although i'm not sure i like catzys responses to Pycan, Pycan does have very valid points he is just unable to get them across in a post without sounding aggressive or confrontational. although this forum has only a small tollerance for such things , might be nice if one of the admins such as Nvr had a private discussion/debate with Pycan to solve all the queries and problems he has rather then an uncontrolable thread where other users may post to stir danny up or may make pointless remarks to defend managment and other members against clear problems.
Thanks :)
In defense of Catzsy, I don't think she was posting to rile Pycan, simply to try and calm him down, because Rosie is a very kind and peaceloving person. She was simply trying to point out the other side and settle him down a bit, though of course when we have our blood running it seems that everyone is out to get us, just part of being human :P
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There is oviously a problem here with some staff , Infractions and Reputation perhaps its time for big steps to be taken when it comes to the rules on giving infractions and the exchange and purchase of reputation.
I agree, we should look into abolishing bought rep. The problems with staff and infractions aren't 100% clear to me, as it seems rather evident that the infractions were given for legitimate reasons. Or maybe I'm misinterpreting which infractions you mean.
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I understand that reputation brings in a small amount of money on large bills to pay to keep such a popular forum running and that just because its unpopular and turns a reputation system into a 'who has the most money and can buy respect' system, but perhaps it should be removed, Mad has already spoken out against it, i'm sure Nvr would agree... perhaps a general forum vote is in order?
I have agreed in the past, I've never liked it, and have worked to get it removed, just such motions in the past simply were sort of put to the wayside for more important issues. This has already been proposed to the admins, and if we reach a consensus, we may put it out to the Forum users to gauge their reaction (though, fair warning, we may not side with the majority, if its close or something like that, but chances are we will, if we put a poll out.)
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and in the sake of Infractions, getting an infraction for repping someone or -repping someone shoudn't be the case.... surely the idea of loosing hard earned or alot of rep that the user feels proud of building over many months and years perhaps the infractions and threats of banning should be laxed because someone repped there friend with no reason, i've talked to several people over the last few days who have recieved rude or abusive rep and won't report it incase they loose rep they may not deem to be pointless the managment do. i've started giving out alot of -rep over the last few days because its easier to think of a reason to -rep a post then to +rep it .. and ether way i like to give out rep each day so if the same person makes me laugh i can rep them again!
You won't get an infraction for one pointless rep. You'd get it for a full page or two (20-40) of them. We really only used bans at the outset, as we've tried to sort this before with simple requests, whence people replied saying "you can't do anything". We were just pointing out the rule *is* in force, and though we try not to invoke it for bans, we do when necessary. The people I have banned in the past (temporarily for the most part) for reputation, are the people who rep half the forum negatively, pretending to be people that they are not. Or the ones who spread er...delicate images, let's say, through the reputation system. Although it is smart..sort of. Harder to get caught, but you have limits :P
Thanks to Rosie, MAD, and Jay for their comments as well :) And thanks to Earthquake for the levity :P
