Does God Exist?

Just a thing for those who can't understand what "was" before the big bang (if there was one):

Stop thinking using time, time is just a construct of the mind to allow us to percieve things, we percieve time as say, a piece of string, 1 straight line with a beginning and end point, when in reality everything is, was, and will be at the same time.

It's somewhat like a DVD, there's no beginning and end point of a DVD, there's just data stored all over that flat surface, you can go to any point and watch from there, you can go back, go forward, start from a certain point and end at a certain point, but it's still just stuff on a flat surface, you have to imagine yourself as the DVD player, sitting there living out a copy of your life on dvd, however you can only watch it once, and you can only go forwards at a rate of 1. Perhaps in the future we might be able to go back to a certain point in the DVD, but then you get into space-time doohickery and I can't be bothered to explain my views on it.

It made sense to me.

some atheist comments ;):
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1. The fact that a believer is happier than a sceptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality. - George Bernard Shaw
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2. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. - Friedrich Nietzsche
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3. I believe in God, only I spell it Nature. - Frank Lloyd Wright
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4. We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes. - Gene Roddenberry
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5. To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today. - Isaac Asimov
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6. A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. - Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)
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7. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca the Younger
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8. Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. - Anonymous
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9. Not only is there no god, but try getting a plumber on weekends. - Woody Allen
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10. If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul. - Isaac Asimov
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11. Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination. - Edward Abbey
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12. With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg
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13. I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence. - Doug McLeod
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14. The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence. - Abu’l‐Ala al Ma’arri
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15. Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going? - Anonymous
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16. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony
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17. The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike. - Delos B. McKown
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18. Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer. - Anonymous
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19. Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be
guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men. - Francis Bacon
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20. The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. - Richard Dawkins
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21. A God who kept tinkering with the universe was absurd; a God who interfered with human freedom and creativity was tyrant. If God is seen as a self in a world of his own, an ego that relates to a thought, a cause separate from its effect. he becomes a being, not Being itself. An omnipotent, all‐knowing tyrant is not so different from earthly dictators who make everything and everybody mere cogs in the machine which they controlled. An atheism that rejects such a God is amply justified. - Karen Armstrong
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22. It is not as in the Bible, that God created man in his own image. But, on the contrary, man created God in his own image. - Ludwig Feuerbach
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23. People ask me what I think about that woman priest thing. What, a woman priest? Women priests. Great, great. Now there’s priests of both sexes I don’t listen to. - Bill Hicks
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24. All the biblical miracles will at last disappear with the progress of science. - Matthew Arnold
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25. Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence. - Anonymous
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26. Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain and presumptuous desire for a second one. - Richard Dawkins
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27. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. - Christopher Hitchens
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28. In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point. - Friedrich Nietzsche
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29. It will yet be the proud boast of women that they never contributed a line to the Bible. - George W. Foote
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30. On the first day, man created God. - Anonymous
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31. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. - Stephen Roberts
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32. You do not need the Bible to justify love, but no better tool has been invented to justify hate. - Richard A. Weatherwax
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33. What’s “God”? Well, you know, when you want something really bad and you close your eyes and you wish for it? God’s the guy that ignores you. - Steve Buscemi (From the movie “The Island”)
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34. As far as I can tell from studying the scriptures, all you do in heaven is pretty much just sit around all day and praise the Lord. I don’t know about you, but I think that after the first, oh, I don’t know, 50,000,000 years of that I’d start to get a little bored. - Rick Reynolds
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35. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish. - Anonymous
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36. Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color. - Don Hirschberg
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37. God should be executed for crimes against humanity. - Bryan Emmanuel Gutierrez
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38. To say that atheism requires faith is as dim-witted as saying that disbelief in pixies or leprechauns takes faith. Even if Einstein himself told me there was an elf on my shoulder, I would still ask for proof and I wouldn’t be wrong to ask. - Geoff Mather
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39. I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and
billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. - Mark Twain
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40. Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men. - Voltaire
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41. And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence. - Bertrand Russell
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42. Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus
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43. I’m a polyatheist - there are many gods I don’t believe in. - Dan Fouts
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44. If it turns out that there is a God, I don’t think that he’s evil. But the worst that you can say about him is that basically he’s an underachiever. - Woody Allen
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45. A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it. - David Stevens
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46. Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. - Robert A Heinlein
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47. I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing. - Douglas Adams
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48. It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand
that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. - Mark Twain
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49. He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. - William Drummond
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50. Remember, Jesus would rather constantly shame gays than let orphans have a family. - Steven Colbert
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51. Which is it, is man one of God’s blunders or is God one of man’s? - Friedrich Nietzsche
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52. Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. - Carlespie Mary Alice McKinney
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53. Religion has caused more misery to all of mankind in every stage of human history than any other single idea. - Anonymous
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54. When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live a normal and wholesome life. - Sigmund Freud
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55. They felt that science would be corrosive to religious belief and they were worried about it. Damn it, I think they were right. It is corrosive to religious belief and it’s a good thing. - Steven Weinberg
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56. Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains. - Robert G. Ingersoll
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57. History teaches us that no other cause has brought more death than the word of god. - Giulian Buzila
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58. Atheism is a non-prophet organization. - George Carlin
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59. We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richard Dawkins
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60. A believer states everything must have a creator but fail to say how he was created. - Anonymous
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61. “There are no atheists in foxholes” isn’t an argument against atheism, it’s an argument against foxholes. - James Morrow
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62. People will then often say, ‘But surely it’s better to remain an Agnostic just in case?’ This, to me, suggests such a level of silliness and muddle that I usually edge out of the conversation rather than get sucked into it. (If it turns out that I’ve been wrong all along, and there is in fact a god, and if it further turned out that this kind of legalistic, cross-your-fingers-behind-your-back, Clintonian hair-splitting impressed him, then I think I would choose not to worship him anyway.) - Douglas Adams
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63. Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for Atheism ever conceived. - Isaac Asimov
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64. If all the Christians who have called other Christians “not really a Christian” were to vanish, there’d be no Christians left. - Anonymous
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65. An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support. - John Buchan
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66. Gods dont kill people. People with Gods kill people. - David Viaene
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67. If God were suddenly condemned to live the life which He has inflicted upon men, He would kill Himself. - Alexandre Dumas
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68. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. - Sam Harris
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69. I don’t believe in God because I don’t believe in Mother Goose - Clarence Darrow
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70. No philosophy, no religion, has ever brought so glad a message to the world as this good news of Atheism. - Annie Wood Besant
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71. I refuse to believe in a god who is the primary cause of conflict in the world, preaches racism, sexism, homophobia, and ignorance, and then sends me to hell if I’m ‘bad’. - Mike Fuhrman
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72. Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. - Frater Ravus
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73. Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family, people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-o, and all the other things I can prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have. - Penn Jillette
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74. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power but absolute power is corrupt only in the hands of the absolutely faithful. - Anonymous
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75. Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense. - Chapman Cohen
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76. The inspiration of the bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it. - Robert G. Ingersoll
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77. When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called religion. - Robert Pirsig
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78. I wonder who got the **** job of scouring the planet for the 15000 species of butterfly or the 8800 species of ant they eventually took on board Noah’s Ark. But at least we got that magical rainbow for all their trouble. - Azura Skye
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79. I have no need for religion, I have a conscience. - Anonymous
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80. Man has always required an explanation for all of those things in the world he did not understand. If an explanation was not available, he created one. - Jim Crawford
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81. I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. - Richard Dawkins
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82. What has been Christianity’s fruits? Superstition, Bigotry and Persecution. - James Madison
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83. The characters and events depicted in the damn bible are fictitious. Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. - Penn and Teller
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84. If god is the alpha and the omega. The begining and the end, knows what has passed and what is to come, like it states in the bible, why do people pray and think it will make any difference. - Mark Fairclough
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85. The finality of death is the coldest truth one must face. Religion makes the perfect distraction. - Anonymous
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86. Religion is the opiate of the masses. - Karl Marx
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87. If God created the world, then who created god? and who created whoever created god? So somewhere along the line something had to just be there. So why can’t we just skip the idea of god and go straight to earth? - Ryan Hanson
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88. If we expect God to subscribe to one religion at the exclusion of all the others, then we should expect damnation as a matter of chance. This should give Christians pause when expounding their religious beliefs, but it does not. - Sam Harris
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89. Atheists will celebrate life, while you’re in church celebrating death. - Anonymous
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90. Animals do not have gods, they are smarter than that. - Ronnie Snow
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91. I have observed that the world has suffered far less from ignorance than from pretensions to knowledge. It is not skeptics or explorers but fanatics and ideologues who menace decency and progress. No agnostic ever burned anyone at the stake or tortured a pagan, a heretic, or an unbeliever. - Daniel Boorstin
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92. I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God. So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake… Religion is all bunk. - Thomas Edison
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93. Fundamentalism, of any type, due to its prerequisite lack of intelligent thought, could prove to be the worst weapon of mass destruction, of all. - David J. Constable
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94. To really be free, You need to be free in the mind. - Alexander Loutsis
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95. Most religions prophecy the end of the world and then consistently work together to ensure that these prophecies come true. - Anonymous
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96. Jesus hardly made the greatest sacrifice. He knew he would be resurrected anyway. - Anonymous
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97. Religion is like a virus that affects the behaviour of its host in such a way as to propagate itself further. - Jack Pritchard
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98. Religions are like pills, which must be swallowed whole without chewing. - Thomas Hobbs
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99. Today’s religion will be the future’s mythology. Both believed at one time by many; but proved wrong by the clever. - Steven Crocker
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100. The Bible - A Fairytale book of rules brainwashing millions. Obliviously used to help create war, kill, hate, judge and discriminate. - Anonymous
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101. Why can’t we see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams

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102. People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs. - Anonymous

Sorry for the patterns I pasted it in...
but I love the last one.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

How were we created? No scientist can explain that one, maybe religion can? :)

so what youre saying is if you cant explain something, obviously the answer is a supernatural being in the sky that no one has ever seen who makes it so.

thanks, that'll help me on my math exam.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

Other people can have opinions that's fine, just shouldn't change other's.

why not? if everyone else's opinion was stabbing kittens is awesome, i'd try to change everyone else's opinion.

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Originally Posted by RedStratocas

so what youre saying is if you cant explain something, obviously the answer is a supernatural being in the sky that no one has ever seen who makes it so.

thanks, that'll help me on my math exam.

why not? if everyone else's opinion was stabbing kittens is awesome, i'd try to change everyone else's opinion.

relating to the thread you can't change people's opinion...

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k48/ruzaila/GOD.jpg

He just doesn't like HXF that much.. hasn't logged in for a while.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

nice c+p ;)

but that man must get his facts right before going against religion

hence why i put ~ George Carlin at the end :S:S

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Originally Posted by Immenseman

I think that a lot of people who do believe in God merely believe it because they need to believe that someone is there for them so they fall back onto religion for support and the belief that God is there to help them through their life.

A bit off Topic, but why do people even beleive in God and think he is the best person in the World? If they think God makes everything happen, there is Poverty, Starvation, Death, Illness, Tyranny. So if there really is a God, he should be Rebelled against, not worshipped.

Anyway, I don't believe in God, there is alot of Proof of Science creating the world, actual Physical Evidence, whereas there is absolutely no proof that God exists.

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Originally Posted by Rob-Guy2

A bit off Topic, but why do people even beleive in God and think he is the best person in the World? If they think God makes everything happen, there is Poverty, Starvation, Death, Illness, Tyranny. So if there really is a God, he should be Rebelled against, not worshipped.

Anyway, I don't believe in God, there is alot of Proof of Science creating the world, actual Physical Evidence, whereas there is absolutely no proof that God exists.

there's no rock solid proof that science created the world, and anyway, who created science?

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Originally Posted by le harry

hence why i put ~ George Carlin at the end :S:S

ye, that's why i said nice :P

IMO, He doesent exist.

I'm not a scientologist, But science prooves Religion wrong (And in some cases, Religions proove other religions wrong.) First off, The bible says that the earth is 6000 years old. But carbon dating puts it around 1.5 billion years old (not exactly 1.5, but around that much anyway.) Next, All these powers that god supposedly had, Are not possible. Science prooves this wrong, By showing that it is impossible for a human to walk across water. Also, evolution proves religion wrong, as people weren't created as people, but micro-organisms that have evolved. Religion dislikes this fact as it rules out the story of Adam and Eve. And besides, In 6000 years, with 2 people, it is impossible to populate the planet as densely as it is now.

But even with all this, People wont give up believing in a higher power. As this gives them hope, Something to live and die for.

As for Heaven and hell, Why would a god banish people to an eternity of fire and agony simply for not blindly following his riddles? He seems to judge and forgive too much for a god.

And on top of all this, Its a 2000 year old book! Seems a bit good to be true.

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Originally Posted by Coheed&Cambria

IMO, He doesent exist.

I'm not a scientologist, But science prooves Religion wrong (And in some cases, Religions proove other religions wrong.) First off, The bible says that the earth is 6000 years old. But carbon dating puts it around 1.5 billion years old (not exactly 1.5, but around that much anyway.) Next, All these powers that god supposedly had, Are not possible. Science prooves this wrong, By showing that it is impossible for a human to walk across water. Also, evolution proves religion wrong, as people weren't created as people, but micro-organisms that have evolved. Religion dislikes this fact as it rules out the story of Adam and Eve. And besides, In 6000 years, with 2 people, it is impossible to populate the planet as densely as it is now.

But even with all this, People wont give up believing in a higher power. As this gives them hope, Something to live and die for.

As for Heaven and hell, Why would a god banish people to an eternity of fire and agony simply for not blindly following his riddles? He seems to judge and forgive too much for a god.

And on top of all this, Its a 2000 year old book! Seems a bit good to be true.

You're getting caught up in your head here.
Who says the bible is against evolution? It doesn't speak a word about it.
6000 years, really?
Where you've talked about "Heaven and Hell" surely you don't understand that if people do something wrong for the whole of their life, they get punished?

If you want more ranting, do just say :P