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I only ever prayed once. It was for my grandma when she was in hospital. Then she died. Ever since then I've lost my faith in god. And that faith will never make up for taking one of the dearest people to me. As the moment I'm Athiest at heart, but I was christianed as a baby.
No, the arguement is actualy not even about the same point im makeing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan2nd
The point is a common defence of why god doesnt answer are preyers, but the actaul argument if carred to its proper comcuslion also comes to the decsion preying is stupid and pointless.
If the child was insigtful to start, he wouldnt have asked to have the cookie to start with would he, since he knows if he was able to have the cookie, his mother would have given it to him?
Or maybe not, since his mother isnt perfect hence needs suggestions or certain things may be forgotten, but god IS PERFECT, so wouldnt forget, so asking him to do somthing is saying you think he is incapable of doing the correct thing himself, hence your idea must not be of the true god.
But gods perfect, if he wanted you to have the guidance hed have already given it to you.Quote:
I pray for guidance from God.
But why would God want to stop one of his people from getting to heven? People always say if God was perfect he would do *insert here* the thing is he gave us free will if I prayed for money and he gave it to me wouldn't he be controling (sp?) my future by doing this? and wouldn't this mean my freewill was gone? You can apply this to anything if I asked for my dieing grand parent to live this would be effecting their destiny and again their freewillQuote:
Originally Posted by Cola
I think God is already giving me guidence he can give it to anyone who excepts him.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
Sorry double posted delete please
Why would he need to, hes perfect, he doesnt need to control the feature to be able to predict it perfectly. If he didnt find a £10 to start with, preying isnt going to change it so you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan2nd
If you did find a £10 god must have already been planning it, else that would mean a preyer changed his mind, which could only happen if he wasnt perfect?
LMAO. Reread what you just said, you only have a destiny if you are predetermined, hence DONT have free will. If you had freewill theres NO SUCH THING as destiny... You just contradicted yourself, not me.Quote:
and wouldn't this mean my freewill was gone? You can apply this to anything if I asked for my dieing grand parent to live this would be effecting their destiny and again their freewill
So you agree with the topics starter then? God is for people who cant do things on there own and have to rely on gods guidence "/Quote:
I think God is already giving me guidence he can give it to anyone who excepts him.
Pure ownage. Youre right, its impossible to believe in destiny AND free will.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
I dont mind people praying, if it makes you feel good and if you think its good for your soul, go ahead. But people praying for money and physical things, and people who go to praying as a first priority when something they feel isnt going their way is wrong.
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Originally Posted by RedStratocas
Well unless you belive in hume and his contemporys "/
Although his idea of freewill, not to mention a few other things, dont really conform with what people usealy mean by them "/
If they actualy belived in god, they would know god is perfect, and wouldnt be asking for him to do anything or change anything becuse they would know already his decision was the perfect and good one.Quote:
I dont mind people praying, if it makes you feel good and if you think its good for your soul, go ahead. But people praying for money and physical things, and people who go to praying as a first priority when something they feel isnt going their way is wrong.
Even as a non religious person, I can see how praying can help people on a spiritual side, to help them, just give them someone to talk to.
Of course praying for someone to live doesn't work, Christianity teaches that God chooses when it's your time to die, if someone's dying in Hosptial then it means God has chosen their time. That's if he exists, which he probably doesn't...
I mean death... :rolleyes: Everyone dies in the end and either goes to heven or hell ( well thats what I beleve) thats what i meant by destiny and its our free will and the choices we make which directs us to our last day on Earth so I don't think i was contridicting myself at all unless your suggesting we don't die? I think you knew what I meant and was just trying to find something to proove the point wrong =lQuote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
no the topic starter said people who pray can't sort their own problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
I think guidence and probelms are diffrent
lol yes I got owned of course.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by RedStratocas
Many people dont have that logic, thus why I hate it when people do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor