Do you REALLY see what I see?

You cant really have differnet perceptions/opinions or views on colour can you? The grass is green and that is that. However I see where your coming from because people do have different views/opinions on life. IMO I don't think that was the best example to use though.

I think this is an excellent example ;) and very confusing to think about.

The answer to the question is: Maybe.

The green I see maybe the colour blue to you.

Try imagining a new colour.

Impossible... But do you know that bees can see infra-red radiation? What colour is it? Nobody knows, no way to prove it.

Im confused are the babies colour blind or something?

i really don't understand.

ive read this many times and never understood it.

but yeah,

you could tell your kids that the grass is orange, but really its green, but they will think that green is orange because thats what they assosciate orange with

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Originally Posted by mattmeister

ive read this many times and never understood it.

but yeah,

you could tell your kids that the grass is orange, but really its green, but they will think that green is orange because thats what they assosciate orange with

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but surely when someone pointed out something that was actually green they'd be like, "no it isn't.."

:s

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Originally Posted by Sean

Im confused are the babies colour blind or something?

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No, they just see things differently.

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Originally Posted by Kaytti

This may seem confusing, but if you focus and take in everything I say you may find this interesting.
I've been explaining this to many people, and I thought it would be good to post.

Ok, 3 babies are born. They are perfectly abled and fine.
When they open there eyes they each see something different:
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5...hatiseeir1.png

They see everything in different colours.
However when they grow up they are told the sun is YELLOW. So from now on, the sun is YELLOW.
They are told the grass is GREEN. So from now on, everything the same colour of grass is GREEN.

The only problem is, everyone is told the same thing whether or not they see different colours, all because one guy said so.
So, the question is, is the grass you see different colour to what I see?

Told you its hard to explain. Philosophy...

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Actualy its a very simple and easy to answer problem, if youd said perseption, not so easy, but seeing, is simply the act of light reflecting off and object and entering your eye. The same data is provied to every eye that sees an object, so everyone receaves the same colour data to the cones in there eyes.

The problem comes when you say perseption, which then includes the mental proccessing of that data and haveing it formed in to what im going to refer to asl the visual image.
The problem your bringing up is simply a weak form of sceptisim, based around the problem of perseption.
The problem of perseption is, how we can know what we perseave actauly what is in the external world, we cannot pass threw the veal of perception, only are interpretation of this so called data. This being a flaw of our subjective stand point.
Then again, this is somewhat dependat on which school of though you follow when it comes to perception since phenomanlism isnt suseptable to this problem, although in that thread the exsternal world in a phyiscal form as we would normaly understand it doesnt exist at all. And we could also quite easly push sceptism to its strong point of point out there no logical link that are experiences are caused by the external world at all, and that followingly there even exists an external world, brain in a tank anyone? Then again, you can also take humes comment in to account which shows you cant even logicaly prove cause and effect at all, which causes a bit of a problem seeing as this guys supposed to be an empirasit, and ends up with his custom and habbit nesseity answer, which is pretty long winded.

Personaly, i also take humes point that sceptism bares little usefulness to common life, aka it doesnt make any difference wheather we see the same thing or not, after all, if we all call it the same thing, what difference does us seeing em differently actually make in the end?

Secondly it also depends somewhat on what you take as mind and hence what perseptions are from to begin with, since a mind brain identy theroist could quite easly demonstrate the brain states between colour recognition are the same hence the state of mine assosated, persption of the colour, is also the same in to subjects :)

um if my orange is your purple and my yellow is your green wouldn't the hxf skin look weird & manky to me?

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Originally Posted by mattmeister

ive read this many times and never understood it.

but yeah,

you could tell your kids that the grass is orange, but really its green, but they will think that green is orange because thats what they assosciate orange with

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Nahhh Matt that's not the question babe ^^

It's much simpler than that.

I see a blue car, and I call it blue. You see a blue car, and you call it blue. However, the colour I see as blue might be what you see as red. We still call the same colour blue because that's what everyone calls it, but what we actually see it as may be very different.

This would also account in part for different people having different psychological reactions to certain colours.