if you are religious, how far would you go

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

I'm not religious myself, but I'm interested in religion. It's my view that if you're going to be religious, you should go all out on following the laws of that religion. If you're a Christian for example, if you believe in it wholly and truly then you'd surely want to follow the religion to the letter in order to please your creator.

No offense to you Garion but I can't get my head around why something so fundamental as a religion should change according to times, surely if God changes His mind He'll let you know? I can't imagine Creation and history suddenly changing just because we come into a new social age. This isn't a dig by the way, I just can't see the logic.

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I am not necessarily talking about the more fundamental things such as the idea of how the earth was created (which I don't take literally anyway), I was talking more about the teachings on how you should live your life and things. It's my fault I didn't really explain my post properly, it's hard to describe really... but it's like, if things change then ultimately it's God's decision and thus certain teachings that determine the way modern Christians behave should be interpreted in a way that make them applicable to the change in times, because this is what God intended.

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Originally Posted by ,Jess,

I'm a Christian but I wouldn't say I was over religious but people say there's lots that you're not allowed to do etc. The 2 greatest commandments in the bible are to love God and to love your neighbour as you love yourself so basically if you do these 2 things you can't help but follow all the rules like all the 10 commandments if you get me...

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Actualy the 2 most important commandments accordning to the bible are, dont worship any other gods and dont worship any idols... i think god must have had a bit of an inferiority complex when he made em "/

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

I'm not religious myself, but I'm interested in religion. It's my view that if you're going to be religious, you should go all out on following the laws of that religion. If you're a Christian for example, if you believe in it wholly and truly then you'd surely want to follow the religion to the letter in order to please your creator.

No offense to you Garion but I can't get my head around why something so fundamental as a religion should change according to times, surely if God changes His mind He'll let you know? I can't imagine Creation and history suddenly changing just because we come into a new social age. This isn't a dig by the way, I just can't see the logic.

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Although what youve said is true, the bible is not the word of god, but instead the word of man, Hence takeing its messages with a pinch of salt doesnt imply god would in anyway have changed his mind on any of the issues or stances held. It just means the writers being only human let a bit of there own personal bias come through in there writeings.

After working in a church for a year and 2 months now, I can safely say that people believe anything written in a book that is over glorified. I don't think hymns help either, many are religious propaganda like "We will only worship you, my Lord" and I think there was something about only Christians being clever, or implying it at least.

The only good things about churches are:
Relaxing (if you are that sort of person).
Nice to look at (some are).
Traditional for weddings, funerals.
They hire out the halls for money, which they spend for good causes (this is a URC church, who send money to Africa and other places for food etc. Some send it to silly charities wasting the money on books).

I find some of the attitudes of people annoying, hypocritcal and works in the bible contradictory, but life is filled with that sort of thing. UIt's annoying that something thought of as major like the bible has so many problems...

Some of the people I work with and for are AMAZING though. When my grand father died, it was nice to know they were thinking of my family and nan and we were in the prayers, which is a nice thought really.

i r agnostic.

i do gtz jebus poster dat is coverd in whtie specks tho

I'm a Muslim and I would do the best I can to do everything but, some stuff is just abit too much for me, and after all, its just a faith and you dont really have to do everything thats been told.

Im an atheist I find the thought of religion totally implausable tbh. I see the bible not as a holy book but more a less a story book. Evidence has shown that over the past 2000 years the bible has changed dramatically due to preists changing it, this could make lots of the bible false if Jesus/God ect. existed. How could someone have so much power to make the earth and make us when we are so interlectually advanced compared to other species, Why didn't "God" make everyone as smart as each other? why didnt "god" make everyone equal?" "If god where real he is said to forgive sins, so why when eve ate the apple in the garden did he punish her? when he should of forgived her?" Alot of the bible contradicts itself, In my eyes its utter nonsense. And another thing I hate thoose christan preachers who go door to door giving free bibles and saying "join the christan faith" Christans brainwash normal people :P Like hymms, Phsycological statistics show that repeating words over and over again causes them to stay on the mind just like when you remember lines for a play or elements of the periodic table ect. Which could show that christans get brainwashed when its a chorus "The lord is almighty ect.".

</rant> Ive been thinking about religion the past couple of days im glad to get it off my chest finally :P

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Originally Posted by :Liam

Im an atheist I find the thought of religion totally implausable tbh. I see the bible not as a holy book but more a less a story book. Evidence has shown that over the past 2000 years the bible has changed dramatically due to preists changing it, this could make lots of the bible false if Jesus/God ect. existed. How could someone have so much power to make the earth and make us when we are so interlectually advanced compared to other species, Why didn't "God" make everyone as smart as each other? why didnt "god" make everyone equal?" "If god where real he is said to forgive sins, so why when eve ate the apple in the garden did he punish her? when he should of forgived her?" Alot of the bible contradicts itself, In my eyes its utter nonsense. And another thing I hate thoose christan preachers who go door to door giving free bibles and saying "join the christan faith" Christans brainwash normal people :P Like hymms, Phsycological statistics show that repeating words over and over again causes them to stay on the mind just like when you remember lines for a play or elements of the periodic table ect. Which could show that christans get brainwashed when its a chorus "The lord is almighty ect.".

</rant> Ive been thinking about religion the past couple of days im glad to get it off my chest finally :P

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You sort of follow the same idea as I do. I think God, in terms of Christianity, as an imaginary friend which we yell at and seek guidance, when it is actually done to their own rational thought that they realise their troubles and sort them out. Hymns are just Christian Propaganda, the jolly tunes and words make people remember them.

technically, I'm Christian. Born and raised. Dragged to church most Sundays, used to go to a Christian private school.

After leaving the school (which I think shelters its students so much that they are brainwashed into believing there's only one way and all that stuff), I started thinking about things on my own, and I'm not sure what to believe. It confuses me, so I avoid it for the most part.

My old school has affected me so much that I can't just dismiss Christianity completely. I mean, I heard about it for over 10 years in school and out. But I wouldn't call myself Christian anymore, nor Atheist. I believe there's a God... but nothing else at the moment.

Ahh religion gets my goat.
Not all religious people, just some, and not really any paticular religions.
Its the people who take religion to an extreme and use it as an excuse to do cruddy things. Well they should just GO DIE!
I was reading in the paper today about a Sikh women who was "honour killed" by her husbunds family because she wanted a divorce.
That was all supposedly done in the name of god.
Alot of people use religion as a way to attack and control others.
Like these terrorists and stuff, most of the suicide bombers etc are doing what they are doing because they have been forced to believe that that is what God wants them to do.
They believe if they blow themselves and a whole load of innocent people up theyl be at the pearly gates with hundreds of naked virgins at ther beck and call (Or whatever ther religion claims heaven is)

I say to these religious nuts..
"If your the sort of people god wants in heaven then send me straight to hell baby cos i dont wanna be stuck with a bunch of insane murderering world leaders who agree that stoning women to death or pouring acid on ther face is a sutible punishment for her looking at another man! Keep your philidelphia"

And as for these nutters who take every word of the bible literally and believe that dinosaurs were really dragons and were created when god created the world (Anybody else been watching waterloo rd)
Well ther just bloody bonkers and need to be locked up in loony bins.

Ohh and the religions which are like "ONLY 20000 PEOPLE CAN GET TO HEAVEN" isnt ther like way more then 20000 of them so that makes no sense?
And the ones who come to your house and tell you ************ is wrong. Thats what really gets my goat. Like wer going to believe you dont shove a crucifix up tour bum when nobodys looking.

Personally, i dont know if thers a god because hes never come up to me and been like "HI BEF I AM GOD" and until that happens then i shall keep an open mind. Il live my life how i want to, treating people the way i would like to be treated myself.

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Originally Posted by :Liam

Im an atheist I find the thought of religion totally implausable tbh. I see the bible not as a holy book but more a less a story book. Evidence has shown that over the past 2000 years the bible has changed dramatically due to preists changing it, this could make lots of the bible false if Jesus/God ect. existed. How could someone have so much power to make the earth and make us when we are so interlectually advanced compared to other species, Why didn't "God" make everyone as smart as each other? why didnt "god" make everyone equal?" "If god where real he is said to forgive sins, so why when eve ate the apple in the garden did he punish her? when he should of forgived her?" Alot of the bible contradicts itself, In my eyes its utter nonsense. And another thing I hate thoose christan preachers who go door to door giving free bibles and saying "join the christan faith" Christans brainwash normal people :P Like hymms, Phsycological statistics show that repeating words over and over again causes them to stay on the mind just like when you remember lines for a play or elements of the periodic table ect. Which could show that christans get brainwashed when its a chorus "The lord is almighty ect.".

</rant> Ive been thinking about religion the past couple of days im glad to get it off my chest finally :P

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Some fair (if biased) points, but still just because you don't agree with Christianity doesn't mean there is no god/are no gods. It's very possible that if any gods exist they aren't those known by any Earthly religion that's ever been spoken.