[HxHD] Why isnt manager allowed to own room?

This is actually a very good point. I don't see how the "not trusted" argument can be argued, the competitions manager holds all prizes himself, which atm is circa 2T I believe. I suppose the main argument will be the having to re-design the room when a manager resigns, but that happens so infrequently I can't really see that being argued effectively either.

It'll be interesting to hear official word on it.

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Originally Posted by Galaxay

I have a question - Why isnt the manager allowed to own the room for his own department?

I've been told several reasons why;

Not trusted - This is basically saying "here have a manager job, but we don't trust you to be the room owner, so we'll keep it." - Its not a thing about trust, but a department manager is probally going to leave before an assistant/general manager so it makes more sense for one of them to own it rather than me/the manager.

Manager leaving - Why would the manager leave if they've accepted/just been given the job? :S - Managers do leave which can be unexpected and not all of the time they leave, they are fired. Some managers will last a long time before they leave but some will only be around for a small amount of time which means constant room changes. And less people visiting the desk because of owner confussion.

It's a complete state without the manager owning it. The proper staff don't have rights, even just now the manager doesnt have rights?. The layout is plane and hasnt been changed in, well ages? (with the exception of the HC's being rotated and moved about 1 square) - Well for this, we are trying to get more staff into the desk which means more superstaff with rites. But it takes a while to build a team up and then to get promotions going. Also, about me not having rites, the reason for this is because I am going through an account / name change and for various reasons I shouldnt have rites on the account I am using untill tomorrow when nvrspk does the name change.

Whenever the password is leaked or something the tele has to get moved to the other side of the room and nothing done about it as the staff cant do nothing but move the tele / hope no-one comes in. - Now the manager will own the teleporters so if a password is leaked it can easily be changed and that situation can be resolved easily. And also about the teleporter, there is a new script program which means some people who use it can get access to the teleporter to get into the staff area which we dont want so it is in the normal area so the script users cant get in the staff area and no one else can get in it.

They cant make full use of the ban feature, resulting in people continually coming in and spamming the room then after being kicked rejoining, which cause staff to constantly be annoyed as they're constantly having to kick people and its causing general annoyance to everyone in the room as they're spamming trying to act somewhat cool. - Yes people do have to be kicked if they are banned but even if the manager was to own the room they would only be able to ban the user for 15mins which isnt really useful and normally when people keep trying to get in, after a few kicks generally they give up.

Even if it is "restricted to AGMs/GMs or whatever, why doesn't immenseman own it? He's both AGM and HxHD-TL / SS... It would make more sense to me than someone who can only come on at a time when no-one else is on. - This is a possibility but it would definately have to be discussed with general managment.

Didn't know where this should go - Here or complaints, and figured people might want to reply for whatever reason.

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Hope this could help answer some things. + dont flame me. ;)

I don't get this either. A help desk of all places needs the manager to own the room, incase of issues with rights and the ban system too.

Saying a manager isn't trusted is stupid and quite rude really, and if they decide to not want to run the help desk anymore, who cares? Get another manager and get them to own the room.

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Originally Posted by Galaxay

Hence at the end i said jake owning it, and if a manager gets given a position their supposed to be responsible/reliable not to quit within a month/week or whatever, if they plan on quitting within a month or management feel their not doing well then they shouldnt be given the position to start with.

If the manager doesn't have the resources, i can understand that, but as i said about jake owning it, he can afford it and has the resources to do so.

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That is very true but at the same time unexpected situations can occur and not everyone may be as dedicated as Jake. Even if they don't resign within a month/week but choose to leave the department months on, this creates instability for Habbox users, something a fansite should avoid. Once again, at that time a new room will need to be created. So whether it's a week, a month or even a year after a manager gets appointed and decides to leave a new room will still need to be created each and every time.

As for your last comment, that's Jake not other current managers or even future managers for that matter. So I don't see how a comparison can be made between the two.

I do agree that a solution could be having a UK AGM or GM owning and maintaining the Help Desk.

as it's a help desk based on the uk hotel I think someone who is in the gmt time zone should own it, so then at least they can/will be online when the staff are so that they can give out rights easily etc.

nvr comes online at about 10pm gmt when the desk will be quiet.

Means a manager will need furni to make it half decent. You can manage well without being rich.

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Originally Posted by mynameisCALLUM

Means a manager will need furni to make it half decent. You can manage well without being rich.

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Well, like I say the comps manager holds the donations, so the Help Desk manager could be given the furniture to make it. It'd make redesigning a pain though.

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Originally Posted by Professor-Alex

Well, like I say the comps manager holds the donations, so the Help Desk manager could be given the furniture to make it. It'd make redesigning a pain though.

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Well for the current help desk design it means little effort would have to go into it. The only tricky bit would be making the roses sit in the majestic chairs, but that's not exactly a challenge :P

It's a choice between a UK AGM owning the room, or giving a Manager the tools to design a room (unless they already have alot of furniture).

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Originally Posted by Professor-Alex

Well, like I say the comps manager holds the donations, so the Help Desk manager could be given the furniture to make it. It'd make redesigning a pain though.

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But the managers who get fired, will most likely take it. I've seen a couple of staffs who go with a fuss and then come back on accounts to spam etc. If habbox can afford to hand out a decent help desk everytime a new manager is in power then so be it, but theres been quite a few recently, with somones departure, then NintendoNews, and the current of which I'm not sure. Seems like managers come and go to frequently.

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Originally Posted by 088!

Hope this could help answer some things. + dont flame me. ;)

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You cant move yourself with a script... Yes you can open doors etc "tele nuke" but you cant move yourself, its obvious people are leaking password if people are obtaining access to staff area.

If managers can own the staff entrances, surely they can own the main room itself?!

If your claim is "When people get kicked they dont come back" Then you clearly arent in the desk alot are you? if someones kicked the majority of the time they'll return about 50 times and spam.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I don't get this either. A help desk of all places needs the manager to own the room, incase of issues with rights and the ban system too.

Saying a manager isn't trusted is stupid and quite rude really, and if they decide to not want to run the help desk anymore, who cares? Get another manager and get them to own the room.

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Precisely my point, if they can trust them to be managers their trusted to own the room.. Managers need to be the room owner.

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Originally Posted by Finkelstien

That is very true but at the same time unexpected situations can occur and not everyone may be as dedicated as Jake. Even if they don't resign within a month/week but choose to leave the department months on, this creates instability for Habbox users, something a fansite should avoid. Once again, at that time a new room will need to be created. So whether it's a week, a month or even a year after a manager gets appointed and decides to leave a new room will still need to be created each and every time.

As for your last comment, that's Jake not other current managers or even future managers for that matter. So I don't see how a comparison can be made between the two.

I do agree that a solution could be having a UK AGM or GM owning and maintaining the Help Desk.

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Managers dont usually quit/resign after a month, usually a great bit on, if they do plan on resigning or management beleive they'll be fired they shouldnt be hired to start with..

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sam

as it's a help desk based on the uk hotel I think someone who is in the gmt time zone should own it, so then at least they can/will be online when the staff are so that they can give out rights easily etc.

nvr comes online at about 10pm gmt when the desk will be quiet.

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Nvr comes on at 3-7am usually

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Originally Posted by mynameisCALLUM

Means a manager will need furni to make it half decent. You can manage well without being rich.

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A help desk doesnt have to be worth 5t or anythign rich, its for helping people, not a fashion show.