Some things do not make sense?!

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Someone should be fired then for saying that, if they can't let someone argue their case (even though it's obvious the ban is unfair), then they're not needed to be honest :/ Wasn't it sierk that said banning members leaves the staff with more respect than unbanning them? Kinda discredits it with this case :P

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Mhm, i'd have more respect if they admitted they were wrong sometimes and made mistakes like all humans do, but some of them are too 'high up' too admit some things, but i wont really name names.

So very true, they could at least admit they're wrong jokingly by going "Whoops, didn't work at as good as we thought :P" Some have had the happy zapped out of them, it would seem :P

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

So very true, they could at least admit they're wrong jokingly by going "Whoops, didn't work at as good as we thought :P" Some have had the happy zapped out of them, it would seem :P

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Hehe yeh, im just waitin til they realise they dont have always be the blank face acting proffesional. Only a matter o' time i say :p.

Hope they do, this type of forum always works better when people act their age. They're trying to be like a forum I joined years ago which was run by adults and the atmosphere was of a "be serious" nature. With this sort of forum, you cannot act serious, you could even say it's unnatural :P

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Hope they do, this type of forum always works better when people act their age. They're trying to be like a forum I joined years ago which was run by adults and the atmosphere was of a "be serious" nature. With this sort of forum, you cannot act serious, you could even say it's unnatural :P

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Yeh, especially when u hit the spam forum, sometimes even too immature for me hehe =p but its nice to be immature, itd suck to be serious 100% of the time

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Originally Posted by kk.

yeh but it still doesnt make sense for them to make another account. Theyre the same person and wouldnt have changed. They will still generally act the same and all it does it make habbox look like it has a lot of members and clogs up the forum. Do you have any feedback for the multiple threads if ones closed? because it still doesnt make sense that ones closed to stop arguments yet another one is free to be opened only arguments cannot happen. But they still do...

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Surely to save the arguments of them returning, you talk to them? Banning them and telling them they have one last chance doesn't help. You ask them to calm down and see why they're playing up. Telling them if they continue they'll get banned doesn't work, you have to imagine working in a school and dealing with 15/16 year olds. Telling them something never works, but talking to them about their problems does ;) And I know for certain that this isn't the case, otherwise their would be proof around the forum with people not playing up ;)

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Decided to reply to these together, because whilst you put forward some good points, what you're saying isn't possible for a forum like this. Since the recent moderation changes, the amount of bans and cautions issues has dropped massively. Before, when I checked on the bans, there was often 10, maybe 11 people cautioned or banned at the same time - Now, before the bullying earlier today, there was only 3. This in itself is showing how the emphaises is being put more on communicating with the members, talking to them and trying to ensure that they don't break the rules anymore.

Another example is with the new warning/infraction system - Before they are issued, PM's are sent asking politely for the member to stop, and get back ontrack. They're welcome to discuss it with that moderator, or any other super moderator/administrator. No longer is it "right, thats swearing, straight to my card button".

However, what you're saying about having a talk after (or before) the ban is issued to see what's wrong just isn't a viable option on a forum of this size, with the few amount of administrators we have. Having to each time, before (or after) a permanent ban is issued ask questions about why it was done, or try to resolve it that way would be an entire job in itself, probably for more than one person due to the amount of issues that arise day in, day out. It doesn't mean, however, that we aren't making every effort to ensure that our userbase is happy with the situation we can offer on the forum, and that every effort is made to ensure that bans are issued as rarely as possible, as I highlighted above.

A prime example of this is today, when several members started posting inappropriate images for the forum, and attempting to bully other members - Situations like that are the main reason for bans on the forum currently, and if someone is on the forum for the sole purpose to bully, or join in with bullying on the forum, to be quite honest I don't think they should be on the forum at all, and as such bans were issued. Looking back in retrospective I'm sure that if they'd of known bans were coming their way, at least 2 of them would not of done it, however we're not here to hold your hands, and give 1,000 chances before bans are issued - That's why the PM before warning/infraction system is there.

Communication does help, and it's being used effectively on the forum, and furthermore most bans that are issued are checked, especially if reported to us as possible incorrect, but asking for a system of where each person is spoken too, before (or after) a ban is issued, isn't a viable sollution, without a (much) larger administration team.

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Originally Posted by Elkaa

Decided to reply to these together, because whilst you put forward some good points, what you're saying isn't possible for a forum like this. Since the recent moderation changes, the amount of bans and cautions issues has dropped massively. Before, when I checked on the bans, there was often 10, maybe 11 people cautioned or banned at the same time - Now, before the bullying earlier today, there was only 3. This in itself is showing how the emphaises is being put more on communicating with the members, talking to them and trying to ensure that they don't break the rules anymore.

Another example is with the new warning/infraction system - Before they are issued, PM's are sent asking politely for the member to stop, and get back ontrack. They're welcome to discuss it with that moderator, or any other super moderator/administrator. No longer is it "right, thats swearing, straight to my card button".

However, what you're saying about having a talk after (or before) the ban is issued to see what's wrong just isn't a viable option on a forum of this size, with the few amount of administrators we have. Having to each time, before (or after) a permanent ban is issued ask questions about why it was done, or try to resolve it that way would be an entire job in itself, probably for more than one person due to the amount of issues that arise day in, day out. It doesn't mean, however, that we aren't making every effort to ensure that our userbase is happy with the situation we can offer on the forum, and that every effort is made to ensure that bans are issued as rarely as possible, as I highlighted above.

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You contradict yourself. In the first paragraph you say "This in itself is showing how the emphaises is being put more on communicating with the members, talking to them and trying to ensure that they don't break the rules anymore." but then later on you say " ust isn't a viable option on a forum of this size".

Also, i recieved no warning that i was going to get banned and neither did neversoft. I had no warnings/infractions and had generally been a happy member and im pretty sure more people liked me than disliked me.

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Originally Posted by lNaughtynemo

You contradict yourself. In the first paragraph you say "This in itself is showing how the emphaises is being put more on communicating with the members, talking to them and trying to ensure that they don't break the rules anymore." but then later on you say " ust isn't a viable option on a forum of this size".

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Then you probably misunderstood. What I put in the first paragraph is how ban amounts have reduced, and much more discussion through PM's (rather than bans and infractions) is now taking place. Later on I mention that to cut it down even further, so that administrators (or super moderators) had to discuss with the member in question what's going wrong, before each ban, isn't viable.

To sum it up, communication has improved alot since the moderation change, however to ensure that each person on the "ban list" was discussed with, isn't an option. (Besides, we have contact us for if you believe the ban was unjust)

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Originally Posted by Elkaa

Then you probably misunderstood. What I put in the first paragraph is how ban amounts have reduced, and much more discussion through PM's (rather than bans and infractions) is now taking place. Later on I mention that to cut it down even further, so that administrators (or super moderators) had to discuss with the member in question what's going wrong, before each ban, isn't viable.

To sum it up, communication has improved alot since the moderation change, however to ensure that each person on the "ban list" was discussed with, isn't an option. (Besides, we have contact us for if you believe the ban was unjust)

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I see, well i probaly misunderstood that then.

But, i wasnt given any warning, i used the contact us, no reply. Also, you said that about 3 got banned recently? That takes SO much time to discuss with or give a warning right? You've been debating about my ban with me for a couple days now.

You know as well as I do that I can't discuss specific bans with you on the forum.