Overly Moderated?

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Originally Posted by WizingWiz

Its to make sure people like you dont cause annoyance on the forums, as it is a public forum, anyone is allowed to use it and express opionions, and you should be allowed to do the same, But I find you offensive, arguementative and many of your posts are a clear attempt to annoy or make fun of someone, I doutb much of your 13,000 posts are even constructive. Last night your immaturity was shown against me, When all I was doing was confronting the racism on the forum, and you thought it would be funny to plan in the flash chat, a mission to -rep me.

Im sure if the flash chat has logs it can be seen. The harsh moderation is to insure people can have fun, express their opionion in a nice way, and debate in a nice way, and really to stop people like you causing hassle for other users.

Wiz

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That's your opinion. I'm a laid back character, I like to have a laugh and poke a bit of fun at people. Unlike the vast majority of the forum I've encountered I'm one of the people who will happily dish some stick out but I'll happily take some too. I'm not going to get irate about things because at the end of the day it's a Habbo related forum, that is easily forgotten.

Last night a few of us had a laugh. We're teenagers, we created a thread which was a joke and you took it all serious and started insulting us all, like you are now. Maybe my -rep comment wasn't valid but the -rep in general was. Much like your revenge reputation which is against the rules, I'm not fussed about that though, I'm not going to start insulting you like you are to me.

I have been a manager on Habbox for years, I used to be site management thus I think the majority of my posts are more than constructive and I often post in feedback with well thought out and helpful posts to try and aid Habbox, much like I did when I was Assistant General Manager so your insults aimed at me aren't needed.

You're openly saying the moderation is "harsh" and you've used the word in your post itself. The term harsh has very negative connotations. I'll take this from dictionary.com:

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ungentle and unpleasant in action or effect

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How can unpleasant actions be beneficial for the forum? The only answer to that is they can't. So really you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot by saying they rules are OK and then saying they're harsh. Rule breakers will always be dealt with and rightly so. Like I said in my original post the rules are strict but it's equivocal whether it's helping the forum with them being so strict.

It's my opinion that I personally find the moderation too strict and it often invades on jokes that it shouldn't do. Of course, you can get them removed. I think I've had 8 reversed since the turn of the year which serves its purpose in emphasising my point that moderators are only too happy to pull the trigger in the heat of the moment and then reverse them when they see they made a mistake.

Eight mistakes on my account alone in as many months isn't all that great which I'm sure all members of the moderation department would agree with. I know others have many reversed to, too much. If a level head was kept then so many errors of judgement wouldn't be made, creating a more harmonious atmosphere, for us, the users of Habbox who happily spend money to ensure the site remains open.

Im unaware of why you are no longer in a managment position in Habbox, or have lost your previous position, But last night was a clear reason why that position is not held by you anymore.

I never took it too serious, Just because it was a joke dosnt make it ok. If I made a thread which was mildy racist, then pass it off as a joke, Does that make it acceptable? Does that make it ok?

And my -rep was infact me expressing my opionion that you are rude, While yours was just "a laugh" to join in with the group. *Removed*Wiz

Edited by Catzsy [Forum Super Moderator]: Please do not rude to others. Thanks :)

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Originally Posted by WizingWiz

Im unaware of why you are no longer in a managment position in Habbox, or have lost your previous position, But last night was a clear reason why that position is not held by you anymore.

I never took it too serious, Just because it was a joke dosnt make it ok. If I made a thread which was mildy racist, then pass it off as a joke, Does that make it acceptable? Does that make it ok?

And my -rep was infact me expressing my opionion that you are rude, While yours was just "a laugh" to join in with the group, Rather like a sheep actually.

Wiz

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I'm no longer in such a position because I resigned to concentrate on my college work which was a lot harder than GCSEs and when I come online I didn't want to have to spend it sorting through stuff I didn't find interesting and it became evident to me someone else could give more energy and enthusiasm into my role. I stick by my mentality of "if you even think about resigning, your heart is no longer in the job".

The thread obviously wasn't really sincere. It was a joke. Every other single person acknowledged it was a joke apart from you. Some disagreed with the joke like Blinger and HotelUser but they knew it wasn't serious. What you say about the joke is ironic because Habbox actually allows jokes about the death of people, which is easily comparable in my opinion.

Also, people have to remember that the thread is a serious campaign in the UK, endorsed by thousands of respectable people. We have a thing called freedom of speech in the UK and this is allowed in society without any negative sanctions being put against the people involved. I'm not saying it should be allowed on the forum because I know it's not but it was a bit of light hearted humour.

We don't really want foreign staff to be removed from their positions. Nvrspk4 for instance is a fantastic GM and none of the current AGMs would be as half as good as he is and they're all British. There was no underlying message with the thread. Let me reinstate that someone posted it as a joke.

It's funny you call me the sheep when if you knew whos idea to post it you certainly wouldn't be saying that. If anything, every one else who posted are the sheeps :rolleyes: Obviously they're not, we were having a joke together and because you weren't included I think you felt a bit jealous and got irate, not anyone else but just you.

I find you offensive and abusive which is hypocritical of you when you're openly insulting me but of course no action will be taken because you're doing it against a "rule breaker" rather than someone else.

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Originally Posted by iApps

This is my own opinion.

The past lke 2 months has seen me get 4 infractions and even more warnings for simply expressing my opinions, which I thought was what a forum was for?

It's just come down to the point now where posting against another users recommendations just because you believe there are better things gets you a warning, and it doesn't look good when you where only trying to help.


Anyone agree?

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This thread would have more credence if you used the proper channels to challenge them. I would happily have the ones I gave you reviewed. None of the infractions/warnings were given just for 'expressing an opinion' or 'helping somebody' as far as I can see and I would happily give the reasons why here if you gave me permission. Thanks :)

@Jake

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The thread obviously wasn't really sincere. It was a joke. Every other single person acknowledged it was a joke apart from you. Some disagreed with the joke like Blinger and HotelUser but they knew it wasn't serious. What you say about the joke is ironic because Habbox actually allows jokes about the death of people, which is easily comparable in my opinion.

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Interesting viewpoint but in that case why was it posted in feedback? I would suggest because no-one that could moderate feedback was on . Every single person in that thread acknowledged it was a joke? Well I do not believe the majority of members would have seen it as such and I entirely agree with Matt about it. Its no joke and certainly not something to post in feedback. Racism [even as a 'joke' ] is not funny. Jokes about death are not funny either in my opinion but they are allowed in the appropriate forum so thats the mandate I follow.

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Eight mistakes on my account alone in as many months isn't all that great which I'm sure all members of the moderation department would agree with. I know others have many reversed to, too much. If a level head was kept then so many errors of judgement wouldn't be made, creating a more harmonious atmosphere, for us, the users of Habbox who happily spend money to ensure the site remains open.

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Most of these were reversed after you had pm'd the person concerned to say that they weren't offended - that doesn't mean that the mods made a mistake it means that Habbox has been lenient in reversing them because as the posts stood without a pm from the other member they would not have been reversed. There is a great deal of difference. It also begs the question knowing this why not make sure that the mods know it is a joke between friends? Sometimes I wonder whether it has been done specifically just to wind the mods up. Obviously this is a purely subjective judgment and I could be completely wrong. :P

I've just been laughing my way through this thread :P. WizingWig, to a newer member who has only seen a relatively small proportion of his posts, Jake probably would seem a bit silly at times lol :P but he is actually a pretty sensible chap when he needs to be and can be very helpful. He's a Habbox Legend fgs! (no really, hover over his rep blocks :D). I don't think he can help being funny either; even his serious posts (such as the ones in this thread) never fail to make me lol irl.

Anyway, I can't help agreeing with this thread topic. The reason being, over the past week or two (basically since I've been back after my long period of inactivity), I've received a fair amount of, not warnings, but notificiation PMs which threaten of a warning.

I reckon I've received 5 or 6 of these in this time which I would think, is more than I've ever received over my four years as a member of Habbox. I am not complaining about these being unfair, but I'm sure even the mods who sent them, would agree that although techinically against the rules, they were fairly petty crimes. Two that spring to mind were 100% un-intended from my point of view and I'd have been appealing immediatly if they'd been infractions.

Anyway it's hard to call. As was said earlier, if the rules were too leanient then it would no doubt lead to anarchy. But on the other hand, I'm sure there is a tiny bit of room to loosen up on the red text ;).

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Originally Posted by Robald

I've just been laughing my way through this thread :P. WizingWig, to a newer member who has only seen a relatively small proportion of his posts, Jake probably would seem a bit silly at times lol :P but he is actually a pretty sensible chap when he needs to be and can be very helpful. He's a Habbox Legend fgs! (no really, hover over his rep blocks :D). I don't think he can help being funny either; even his serious posts (such as the ones in this thread) never fail to make me lol irl.

Anyway, I can't help agreeing with this thread topic. The reason being, over the past week or two (basically since I've been back after my long period of inactivity), I've received a fair amount of, not warnings, but notificiation PMs which threaten of a warning.

I reckon I've received 5 or 6 of these in this time which I would think, is more than I've ever received over my four years as a member of Habbox. I am not complaining about these being unfair, but I'm sure even the mods who sent them, would agree that although techinically against the rules, they were fairly petty crimes. Two that spring to mind were 100% un-intended from my point of view and I'd have been appealing immediatly if they'd been infractions.

Anyway it's hard to call. As was said earlier, if the rules were too leanient then it would no doubt lead to anarchy. But on the other hand, I'm sure there is a tiny bit of room to loosen up on the red text ;).

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Care to elaborate on the petty crimes.:P

Oh I have a brill idea! If you don't like getting infractions...

DON'T DO BAD THINGS!

Accidental double posts merged by :Mobile (Forum Super Moderator): Due to forum lag.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Care to elaborate on the petty crimes.:P

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I believe he is referring to things like commenting in the trading section, I think I sent him a PM about this recently.

I would like to formally apologise to Immenseman, in the understanding that yes I am new, and I am unware of they way he acts normally on the forum,

I was nt so much angry at him, but at the fact he joined in on this "joke".

I accept that he found it funny, and I'm sorry for jumpng down his throat,

it happens the people, or sheep as I once said, have been dealt with,

sorry for calling you a sheep ;)

Lets start fresh lol :D
Wiz

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Originally Posted by Robbie!

I believe he is referring to things like commenting in the trading section, I think I sent him a PM about this recently.

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Yes but lots of members get those - they don't normally attract anything but pms unless it is done frequently. Same as pointless posting. Thing is with those is though, they annoy the heck out of the other members and we do it because of the wishes of the majority of the members. He may like to elaborate on some of the others though. :)