British National Party to change 'whites only' membership rule

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Originally Posted by BritishTea

Like ardemax said,
Hitler came to power when the german population was starving and suffering the effects of a recession. He channelled all the frustration and anger towards the jews and more or less everyone agreed/supported him.

We are in a recession, there are immigration problems and the tabloid newspaper reports on Islamic extremists living a life of luxury on taxpayers money aren't doing anything to lift the public mood. People are annoyed and the BNP are offering us a solution- get rid of them.

And if you can all remember- we fought against fascism in a world war.

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The British National Party are offering the right solution then aren't they, and the British people should be entitled to make their decision without the ruling Lib/Lab/Con or the BBC telling people who they can and cannot vote, and who they can and cannot listen to on national television.

We fought facism you are right, and we more importantly fought facism to protect democracy - banning the BNP makes you the facist as facism opposes any opposition.

the bnp must abide by the laws of the land.

If I started walking around saying "People called Dan should be killed" and getting people to start hating you, would you allow me to continue doing so because it would be 'undemocratic' to stop me?
No- because that's outrageous. Same applies to the BNP.

Going back to the immigration problem; Simply "kicking out" all of the immigrants wont work. If the current government can't fix it, then a bunch of sad old men most certainly wont be able to either.

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Originally Posted by BritishTea

If I started walking around saying "People called Dan should be killed" and getting people to start hating you, would you allow me to continue doing so because it would be 'undemocratic' to stop me?
No- because that's outrageous. Same applies to the BNP.

Going back to the immigration problem; Simply "kicking out" all of the immigrants wont work. If the current government can't fix it, then a bunch of sad old men most certainly wont be able to either.

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The British National Party have not called for immigrants to be killed, they have said that people should return to what they call their home countrys, whether you agree with it or not that is BNP policy and they have a right to air it, they have two seats isn't it, are democratically elected and gained a fair share of votes, they have earned it. If the people of this country want them in power then fair play, thats what democracy is for.

On the issue of the present government, if you really think this government sets the limits for what can and cannot be done you have for sure lost faith in politics.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The British National Party have not called for immigrants to be killed, they have said that people should return to what they call their home countrys, whether you agree with it or not that is BNP policy and they have a right to air it, they have two seats isn't it, are democratically elected and gained a fair share of votes, they have earned it. If the people of this country want them in power then fair play, thats what democracy is for.

On the issue of the present government, if you really think this government sets the limits for what can and cannot be done you have for sure lost faith in politics.

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So someone who was born in England, lived their entire lives in England but have non-English parents must leave England? That is discrimination and against human rights. How will removing all of the non-whites help anything?

I don't have any faith in politics; all political parties promise to solve all of the problems and be better than the former government. Which of course, never happens. However, I would much rather live under a labour or conservative government than be forced to leave the country because my mother isn't white.

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Originally Posted by BritishTea

So someone who was born in England, lived their entire lives in England but have non-English parents must leave England? That is discrimination and against human rights. How will removing all of the non-whites help anything?

I don't have any faith in politics; all political parties promise to solve all of the problems and be better than the former government. Which of course, never happens. However, I would much rather live under a labour or conservative government than be forced to leave the country because my mother isn't white.

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I have not said their policy is correct or that I fully agree with it, so stop attempting to make my views the same as those of the British National Party. I think you need to understand fully; I believe in democracy, that does not mean I support the BNP, it means I believe every party should be able to have a say, and by not allowing them to have a say, you have no right to call them facists as that is one of the main principles of facism.

and yet undertaker we are referred back to a few posts where the nazi's rose to power in this time and like this situation.

there's do's and don'ts.

are you saying that hitler should be allowed to advertise the nazi party now?

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

and yet undertaker we are referred back to a few posts where the nazi's rose to power in this time and like this situation.

there's do's and don'ts.

are you saying that hitler should be allowed to advertise the nazi party now?

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And as I earlier mentioned, the rise of the Nazis can for a large part be attributed to the fact that the government of the time tried to hush them up and shut them down, which leads to civil unrest and uprising. So yes, if someone had Nazi views they should be allowed to state them - for the most part people will simply say "oh what a fool" and choose to ignore them, rather than those in power choosing for us which only leads to our human curiosity being awakened, and a larger following for that person in the end

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

and yet undertaker we are referred back to a few posts where the nazi's rose to power in this time and like this situation.

there's do's and don'ts.

are you saying that hitler should be allowed to advertise the nazi party now?

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The BNP are not the Nazi Party.

Hitler was not only voted in, to form a government he made alliances with other parties in the Reichstag and bullied/threatend politicians, officals and the electorate into voting for him, while he did have considerable support it would of never got him into power if he hadn't used bullying tactics, something the BNP is not using and therefore is doing nothing wrong.

The electorate chose to put a 'x' by the BNP in the European Parliamentary Elections - accept it.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

And as I earlier mentioned, the rise of the Nazis can for a large part be attributed to the fact that the government of the time tried to hush them up and shut them down, which leads to civil unrest and uprising. So yes, if someone had Nazi views they should be allowed to state them - for the most part people will simply say "oh what a fool" and choose to ignore them, rather than those in power choosing for us which only leads to our human curiosity being awakened, and a larger following for that person in the end

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If we did what Ardemax wanted, then next would be other parties which pose a threat to the Lib/Lab/Con tri-circle, such as UKIP being banned just because anybody on the left appears to think that being tough on immigration is racist, being against the EU is xenophobic - we'd end up with no parties other than Lib/Lab/Con.

Ardemax cannot accept that they were voted in by license fee payers, therefore as the BBC is supposed to be fair and democratic, the BNP have a right to be on Question Time - they got their mandate from a portion of the electorate, and got it fair and square.