EU President says world government is the ultimate goal

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

So to sum it up, the President is pointless :/ If he doesn't serve the people directly, then he shouldn't be, nor should there ever be, a President of Europe - it's a pointless title. Besides, why do we need them? Europe has been doing quite well without all this control :/

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he's the president of the european council, not the president of europe.

and trust me undertaker, it's the second one. the european council will freak if he appears to be taking any sort of power. that's why they didn't want tony blair, because he's got a big ego, a big figure. they don't want him because ultimately they don't want someone who has enough influence to run the comission without their influence. it is a big job steering the executive of a bloc involving 27 member states.

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

he's the president of the european council, not the president of europe.

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AKA he is head of the government which creates most of Europe's laws and regulations, so in essence he is the President of Europe. It is like me calling a builder a construction worker and saying they are different things.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

AKA he is head of the government which creates most of Europe's laws and regulations, so in essence he is the President of Europe. It is like me calling a builder a construction worker and saying they are different things.

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no it's completely different. he isn't the president of the european comission, he isn't the head of the comission (who ultimately draft the laws) jose barasso is the president of the comission. he can try to influence them, yes, but he can't TELL them what to do, nor can he veto what they want to do. he is literally an admin man who china, india, usa or whoever can call if they have something that concerns the bloc. but him, like baroness ashton can't take any real action without the support of the council.

he is not president of the european parliament, who acts a bit like the speaker (he is on that video you posted earlier). he is voted in by the parliament.

there are infact 3 presidents of the EU who preside over different sections. this new presidential post has always existed, but has moved between countries every 6 months...

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

no it's completely different. he isn't the president of the european comission, he isn't the head of the comission (who ultimately draft the laws) jose barasso is the president of the comission. he can try to influence them, yes, but he can't TELL them what to do, nor can he veto what they want to do. he is literally an admin man who china, india, usa or whoever can call if they have something that concerns the bloc. but him, like baroness ashton can't take any real action without the support of the council.

he is not president of the european parliament, who acts a bit like the speaker (he is on that video you posted earlier). he is voted in by the parliament.

there are infact 3 presidents of the EU who preside over different sections. this new presidential post has always existed, but has moved between countries every 6 months...

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Hang on, now you are saying it is the commission which essentially holds the power, whereas in the past you have made it out like the commission was a weak body with little power. You say to talk with China, India and the United States - nobody asked Rompuy, the commission, his advisers, Ashton or the thousands of eurocrats in Brussels to make decisions on their behalf.

As shown by the video, pro-EU MEPs such as that lady in the video are allowed to call Nigel Farage a monkey, yet he is told to 'tone down' when he mentions that Ashton has never been elected to public office in her entire life.

The whole thing stinks.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Hang on, now you are saying it is the commission which essentially holds the power, whereas in the past you have made it out like the commission was a weak body with little power. You say to talk with China, India and the United States - nobody asked Rompuy, the commission, his advisers, Ashton or the thousands of eurocrats in Brussels to make decisions on their behalf.

As shown by the video, pro-EU MEPs such as that lady in the video are allowed to call Nigel Farage a monkey, yet he is told to 'tone down' when he mentions that Ashton has never been elected to public office in her entire life.

The whole thing stinks.

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no, the comission does hold alot of power, but it has to be approved by the parliament beforehand. the reason that only it can start the process in making laws is that if the parliament was given power to make laws, it could ignore the laws setting out what it can and cannot legislate against. The comission's main job is to carry out the laws passed. It is often asked to by the parliament or the council to draft legislation, but it will only do this abiding by the laws of the treaties, that's why they have the power. These are then passed on down to either the council of the european union, the parliament or both.

It's quite complicated.

The EU is split into these sections:

The European Council - Brings together the heads of state of each european union state. they are accountable to their nation. They guide the european union in the way that the states want to go. This is where the new 'President of the European Council' will be. The president of the comission comes to the meetings to be told which way they want the european union to go.

The Council Of Ministers - Legislative body that passes or denies new laws as drafted by the comission. One member in this house per member state. The council of ministers is usually made up with just people who are concerned with the matter in hand (for example agriculture). In some areas they don't need the permission of the parliament to pass some laws. This presidency used to be the same as the one as in the European Council, but now is split and has a rotating presidency from national governments who sets the agenda.

The European Comission - Carries out the day-to-day running. Makes sure the laws as passed are abided by. Drafts laws according to what's been agreen by the european council and what's in the treaties and european law. They have their own president who goes to the European Council and the Parliament.

The Parliament - Discusses european union matters, new bills, accepts or denies the new budgets, votes in the comission, votes on bills. This has an admistritative president also.

Over complicated, very. Too complicated, yes. Some waste, yes.

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

no, the comission does hold alot of power, but it has to be approved by the parliament beforehand. the reason that only it can start the process in making laws is that if the parliament was given power to make laws, it could ignore the laws setting out what it can and cannot legislate against. The comission's main job is to carry out the laws passed. It is often asked to by the parliament or the council to draft legislation, but it will only do this abiding by the laws of the treaties, that's why they have the power. These are then passed on down to either the council of the european union, the parliament or both.

It's quite complicated.

The EU is split into these sections:

The European Council - Brings together the heads of state of each european union state. they are accountable to their nation. They guide the european union in the way that the states want to go. This is where the new 'President of the European Council' will be. The president of the comission comes to the meetings to be told which way they want the european union to go.

The Council Of Ministers - Legislative body that passes or denies new laws as drafted by the comission. One member in this house per member state. The council of ministers is usually made up with just people who are concerned with the matter in hand (for example agriculture). In some areas they don't need the permission of the parliament to pass some laws. This presidency used to be the same as the one as in the European Council, but now is split and has a rotating presidency from national governments who sets the agenda.

The European Comission - Carries out the day-to-day running. Makes sure the laws as passed are abided by. Drafts laws according to what's been agreen by the european council and what's in the treaties and european law. They have their own president who goes to the European Council and the Parliament.

The Parliament - Discusses european union matters, new bills, accepts or denies the new budgets, votes in the comission, votes on bills. This has an admistritative president also.

Over complicated, very. Too complicated, yes. Some waste, yes.

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Actually the Comission creates the laws and the ECJ from what I have read, is the body which enforces them on national governments, business and people. Some waste? - gross underestimate, the European Union audits haven't been checked for more than a decade with billions gone missing, senior members have been caught holidaying with owners of large corporations shortly before a bill is passed which benefits that company.

..and who asked you alex and the European Union itself to create a European Union with its own flag, budgets, laws, regulations? - nobody did.

ha ha world government imagine that we to busy killing each other to make up and unite as one

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Actually the Comission creates the laws and the ECJ from what I have read, is the body which enforces them on national governments, business and people. Some waste? - gross underestimate, the European Union audits haven't been checked for more than a decade with billions gone missing, senior members have been caught holidaying with owners of large corporations shortly before a bill is passed which benefits that company.

..and who asked you alex and the European Union itself to create a European Union with its own flag, budgets, laws, regulations? - nobody did.

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nobody asked me. i'm 17. the european union did not create itself. the collective will of democratically elected governments formed the different sections and its evolution and devopment has been under control by them.

the comission has a monopoly on starting the legislative process, but they cannot create laws on their own, they have to be passed by the c.o.m. and the parliament. or one or the other depending on what it concerns. the comission also is the body that makes sure companies/whoever are abiding by the laws and implements the decisions. But the comission on it's own can't draft and pass laws. the european court of justice is a court, which is the highest court for european union law, but the comission goes and investigates companies and the like who are in breech of competition law.

This is gonna be terrible for football

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

nobody asked me. i'm 17. the european union did not create itself. the collective will of democratically elected governments formed the different sections and its evolution and devopment has been under control by them.

the comission has a monopoly on starting the legislative process, but they cannot create laws on their own, they have to be passed by the c.o.m. and the parliament. or one or the other depending on what it concerns. the comission also is the body that makes sure companies/whoever are abiding by the laws and implements the decisions. But the comission on it's own can't draft and pass laws. the european court of justice is a court, which is the highest court for european union law, but the comission goes and investigates companies and the like who are in breech of competition law.

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No do not give me the democratically elected government issue, no main party in the United Kingdom ever pledged to sign up to the European Union, and when a government was elected on a manifesto promise to hold a referendum on EU reform, it then declined to hold a referendum.

The commission is the government, the ECJ is the government's legal side.