undertaker used to be 'u-word'/tory. now he's lost trust in tories (seen the light) and to be fair to him, he is just 'u-word'.
i ain't mentioning the word or this thread will turn into another argument. :(
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undertaker used to be 'u-word'/tory. now he's lost trust in tories (seen the light) and to be fair to him, he is just 'u-word'.
i ain't mentioning the word or this thread will turn into another argument. :(
Well all those debates about the conservatives before... for a person who supports Labour, he was really in favour for what they did and stand for in the years when they were in power. :P
EDIT: Ah ok.
he's wrecked the country before he's even started
new world record yey
I still do and always will believe that the true Conservatives are people such as Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill, people who did not lie, people who did not become politicians simply for a career. They are true Conservatives ane some remain in the Conservative Party today; David Davies, Daniel Hannan, Michael Howard, Ann Widdecombe, William Hague and others.Quote:
Originally Posted by United-Clowgon
David Cameron is not a Conservative. All-women shortlists? All-black shortlists? All-gay shortlists? - that is not Conservatism, that is socialism. To get somewhere Conservatism always places who is best for the job in that job/situation, unlike socialism where socialism puts people in a job for who they are (PC).
Iron cast promise to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty? - it simply melted away. While I think anyone can do better than the Labour Party, I see Cameron as another Ted Heath and hopefully if history follows as it did in the 1970s, we'll have a leader like Thatcher within the decade.
UKIP is for Conservatism, so i'd ask anyone who supports the Conservatives - why vote in a party and a man who are just merely BluLabour?. I want Cameron to do good as this country needs it, but I really cannot see it.
Ahhh ok. I understand you properly now. I don't think they'll come into power. Labour isn't telling anyone what cuts they'll be making where i think even by doing this will still win them the Election. The Torries and the other mainstream parties have clearly stated what needs to be cut back. However, with the Torries, I'm not sure if they'll get in the votes for going to honesty policy. (That's if what they are saying that they will they cut) turns out to be half of what they plan to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
The Conservatives have not said anything properly which I have seen which has convinced me that they can get rid of the budget debt which Labour has [yet again] created. Call-me-Dave has promised not to cut foreign aid, infact what on earth has he promised to cut?Quote:
Originally Posted by United-Clowgon
When Mrs Thatcher gained office in 1979 she cut everything;- she cut subsidies to failing businesses, she cut over-inflated University budgets, she cut foreign aid, she cut red tape for business and government, she went to Brussels and told the EU [then called EC] to give the United Kingdom a rebate and in the end, she succeeded in creating an economy which has kept the United Kingdom a powerful nation - can anyone see Dave doing this?
I certainly can't.
Yet you can see UKIP doing this? I certainly can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
The Liberal Democrats are the ones to watch this election. I can see them becoming a more mainstream party with the possibility of opening up a 3 way election in 2015.
If they were a mainstream party I certainly could, they are true Conservatives unlike what we have now headed by David Cameron. On the Liberal Democrats - you sound like a disaffected Labour voter who now has switched support (for the time being) to the Liberal Democrats but will soon re-join supporting Labour when they are in opposition against the Tories. A wild statement you make, but you shouldn't say something is going to happen just because you support it - the reality is that UKIP, Liberal Democrats, BNP and all other parties will not gain the keys to No.10 unless the voting system is reformed, and even then - with a reformed voting system the Liberal Democrats would most likely be pushed out even futher (as shown by the 2009 European Parliamentary Elections) by UKIP, the BNP and others.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyDuo
Want higher taxes and a government that interferes in everything? - vote the Liberal Democrats and Labour.
Not at all :). I'm a member of the Liberal Democrats, am in frequent contact with Lib Dem MP's and went to see Nick Clegg speak just last week. I am disillusioned with Labour but I happen to think that Tony Blair has done a lot for this country and you may be surprised to find that I also think Margaret Thatcher did us a lot of good too (Although in a very heavy handed way). I will never vote Tory or Labour in the foreseeable future just because I think both have betrayed their core ideologies and are completely populist.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Not true, a similar situation has happened in Canada and Nick Clegg has recieved a lot of publicity recently because of the Hung parliament issue. The Guardian conducted a survey and it showed that after seeing Nick Clegg speak a significant proportion of the electorate said they would consider voting for him. This is going to be reinforced by the 3 way TV debates. I do think FPTP is highly corrupt but if a party is popular enough then it won't stop it from reaching No.10.Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
I sure do! The fact is we either pay taxes for the service or we pay for it privately and the government gives us the best value for money in services because they aren't attempting to make a profit. Our education, health etc systems are some of the best in the world, surely you can't criticise that?Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
I wouldn't even call them populist, nothing they have done or proposed matches any of the (right-wing) opinions I hear everywhere. I think nearly everyone I have spoken to is right-wing, even Labour supporters are right-wing in this country.Quote:
Not at all :). I'm a member of the Liberal Democrats, am in frequent contact with Lib Dem MP's and went to see Nick Clegg speak just last week. I am disillusioned with Labour but I happen to think that Tony Blair has done a lot for this country and you may be surprised to find that I also think Margaret Thatcher did us a lot of good too (Although in a very heavy handed way). I will never vote Tory or Labour in the foreseeable future just because I think both have betrayed their core ideologies and are completely populist.
The United Kingdom is right wing and always will be, this is why the politicians need to stop moving to the left and centre and start addressing what we want and not what they think would be best for us. This is exactly why I support UKIP;- they are right-wing, but also have the populist element where they would hold referendums on issues such as the European Union and the death penalty. Democracy needs to be revived and that is the only way it will be.
The Guardian is a very left wing newspaper and has a low cirulation because it is left wing, so it would have higher results for a left-wing party. Although on the Hung Parliament issue, I am sort of hoping for it also;- it would deprive Labour to make a government, would wake the Tories up over Europe and finally if the Liberal Democrats do end up with the playing hand, they would drive through voting reform.Quote:
Not true, a similar situation has happened in Canada and Nick Clegg has recieved a lot of publicity recently because of the Hung parliament issue. The Guardian conducted a survey and it showed that after seeing Nick Clegg speak a significant proportion of the electorate said they would consider voting for him. This is going to be reinforced by the 3 way TV debates. I do think FPTP is highly corrupt but if a party is popular enough then it won't stop it from reaching No.10.
Our education systems are not the best in the world at all and has seriously declined in recent years. My former Geography teacher for instance told me that the work GCSE students are doing today is the work that Year 7's were doing 10 years ago. On the taxation issue; it is not up a government to take away earned money so it can spend it itself. This is the problem we had in the 1970s, government can not spend properly and never will be able to. If you believe in bigger government then you are asking for another winter of discontent.Quote:
I sure do! The fact is we either pay taxes for the service or we pay for it privately and the government gives us the best value for money in services because they aren't attempting to make a profit. Our education, health etc systems are some of the best in the world, surely you can't criticise that?
Government cannot create wealth, jobs or working services;- only private sector can and ever will be able to.