North Korea

I disagree with the top bit, look at how China is doing. When the USSR was Socialist, it was the world 'super power' basically.

Although, I do agree N. Korea is in trouble in the economic forefront. You could argue they're leaning more towards the Socialist sphere of things, however it's the fact that the climate within the country is different to those other Socialist ones.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The dangers & consquences of socialism and the misery it causes, just look to North Korea for the living example. It must be terrible for those people, hopefully one day we will see a free North Korea so its people can strive to better themselves and their families without fear or violence from the North Korean regime.

Theres an interesting picture i've seen before which shows the difference from space between the conservative/capitalist South and the socialist/communist North, i'll post if I can find. Here;

http://mises.org/images4/KoreaLights.jpg

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Originally Posted by Grig

I disagree with the top bit, look at how China is doing. When the USSR was Socialist, it was the world 'super power' basically.

Although, I do agree N. Korea is in trouble in the economic forefront. You could argue they're leaning more towards the Socialist sphere of things, however it's the fact that the climate within the country is different to those other Socialist ones.

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What the hell :S Could you re-word what you said, it made no sense to me lol.

The people who produced it also have a number of other interesting documentaries made such as illegal boarder crossing, guide to Siberia and many more.
http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel

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Originally Posted by Grig

I disagree with the top bit, look at how China is doing. When the USSR was Socialist, it was the world 'super power' basically.

Although, I do agree N. Korea is in trouble in the economic forefront. You could argue they're leaning more towards the Socialist sphere of things, however it's the fact that the climate within the country is different to those other Socialist ones.

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Chinas economy is no-where near socialist anymore, hence why they have rapidly developed compared to their socialist neighbour.

I watched all the posted videos yesterday. Very interesting and I feel ignorant for not even being aware of how severe the situation is. It's actually scary. To loosely quote the Yank who made the mini series; 'When you see movies where prehistoric people have to be shown what a supermarket is, this is as close as it gets to that' (something along those lines).

Loved the part where he's singing karaoke and the machine has Anarchy in the U.K. programmed into it (somehow!) which he's singing in the Sex Pistols style and they don't have a clue what he's doing. That and the Teletubby I saw in a shop were the only two Western references in their whole God damn country.

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Originally Posted by Black_Apalachi

I watched all the posted videos yesterday. Very interesting and I feel ignorant for not even being aware of how severe the situation is. It's actually scary. To loosely quote the Yank who made the mini series; 'When you see movies where prehistoric people have to be shown what a supermarket is, this is as close as it gets to that' (something along those lines).

Loved the part where he's singing karaoke and the machine has Anarchy in the U.K. programmed into it (somehow!) which he's singing in the Sex Pistols style and they don't have a clue what he's doing. That and the Teletubby I saw in a shop were the only two Western references in their whole God damn country.

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Yeah I lol'd at the Sex Pistols part.

Like I said last time I had a discussion with you. Socialism is NOT Communism. North Korea is NOT Socialist.

Pretty amazing

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-10s...5875-21850348/

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Originally Posted by FlyDuo

Like I said last time I had a discussion with you. Socialism is NOT Communism. North Korea is NOT Socialist.

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They are the same, hence why the USSR which was a communist country was called the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. As I have said before, socialism is considered to be the before-step to communism, as Karl Marx himself said. While socialism refers more to the left-wing economy and communism to the left-wing structure of a country, both are in reality the exact same.

North Korea is left-wing aka socialist and communist.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

They are the same, hence why the USSR which was a communist country was called the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

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Not at all. Socialism refers purely to the economy. One area of Communism. Communism is both economic and political which is EXACTLY what North Korea is. Socialism has nothing to do with a repressive state. Common misconception. Otherwise you must think that Tony Benn wanted Britain to become like North Korea?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

While socialism refers more to the left-wing economy and communism to the left-wing structure of a country, both are in reality the exact same.

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I think you'll find I said that in the last thread. In reality they are nothing to do with each other.

Heres a nice quote a picked up:

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A common mistake is to confuse Socialism, the economic system, with Communism, the political system. Communists are "socialist" in the same way that Republicans are "compassionate conservatives". That is, they give lip service to ideals they have no intention of practicing.

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