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My local BNP MP is a very nice person (known him for a while)
He only opposes those who dont work and just take advantage of our state
Those who dont like our laws
Those who dont like our beliefs and holidays
to be honest that isnt racist at all, BNP is a very good party depending on how you look at it, My auntie is black and she's very good friends with our local MP (hes irish)
There are no BNP MPs' :S The MP for Rotherham is:Quote:
Originally Posted by HC0R3H00LIH00P
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/den...hane/rotherham
Perhaps he is a local councillor and is a moderate. Doesn't mean that there are not racist people in the BNP though. I think that's pretty well established.
lol when you start saying "Some of my friends are black..." or "My auntie is black" you're clearly a racist as no one else says that, other than racists of course. Sean Lock sums it up best for me "I'm a murderer and some of my friends are alive".Quote:
Originally Posted by HC0R3H00LIH00P
Sadly the BNP's manifesto isn't based around who works and who doesn't, it's based on peoples skin colour. And I'm pretty sure the BNP don't like our laws either, hence why they're trying to be elected?
Yes there is a difference in the actual membership/shortlist, but thats the only one. I'm sorry but it boils down to this very simple question; do you or do you not support having membership/candidates picked based on the colour of their skin or other factors such as their sexuality. From your reply, I gather that you do. Quite honestly you are just as bad as the British National Party if that is the case and you are in no position (neither are the main parties) to criticise the BNP.Quote:
You cannot see the point between being free to join a party and having a shortlist. There is a great deal of difference. It is nothing to do with discrimination against white people as historically parliament has been made up of almost all white males which is not representative of our society. Shortlists are more commonly for females anyway so why you keep just mentioning 'black' people I don't know as it is more common for women to be on the shortlist. As I said before there is no bar to membership of the parties/associations which is the actual issue here.
It is wrong to decide on race, because thats genuine racism.
It is only 'indirectly racist' because it is the BNP, why are the Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats all not in court also over their membership shortlists? - I wonder, could it possibly be because its a witchunt between one group of people who judge based on the colour of their skin against another group which uses the same idealogy only its not politically correct to do so.Quote:
I think you will find that it is indeed unlawful as the Judge himself said it was indirectly racist which is against the law:
I will defend the BNP stance because the more I see people such as yourself asking for 'positive discrimination' to be brought in (which is racism but worded more nicely) I will continue to point out that you are as bad as the BNP itself. What is my answer to parliament? - here is my simple answer and its an answer most people would agree with and is an answer which is based on fairness and common sense; elect/choose people based on what they can do, not who they are.Quote:
You can defend the BNP stance all you like but the main political parties are only trying to redress the balance of decades of citizens who have, themselves, been discriminated against as they are not male and white to reflect a cross section of society. It is called positive discrimination for a reason.
How would you reflect a representative parliament? What's your answer to this age old problem?
That is how you get an elected parliament which is based on fairness and a parliament which is not based on who you are, but what you can do.
I think these bullying tactics are just gaining the BNP a lot more support and although membership has stopped it is reported their donation increases is more than covering lost revenue through membership.
I put it to you that this labour government is racist and sexist :o Us English are getting a rough ride while Scotland gets free Uni and the Welsh free perescriptions (last i knew) All the money that pays for their perks are out the same pot all UK tax payers pay in to :o Surely we should all get these benefits free or none of us should? Businesses are being forced to take on more women / foreigners and non whites to fit in with guidlines set out and even the threat of prosecution :s Surely you take on the best person for the job no matter what? So when people are being treated like 2nd class citizens it does push them further and further to the right and I blame labour for that.
The country is a total mess and labour must go so that will make me vote Conservative as they are the only real opposition to get this bunch of liars and con artists out. I do know many people so fed up they are going to vote BNP as a protest vote just to show how sick they are of both big parties and hoping they get a few seats in parliment. If the conservatives do get in and we are still going down like we are now then next time I will make a protest vote.
Take a look at France and Holland and how well their far right are doing as there seems to be a lot of support coming for them and I think that is because people are totally fed up with the EU forcing all their legislation on them.
We have people in parliment to represent the country but they dont even listen to a word we say :s They treat us like little kids and make petty decisions on our behalf :s They banned smoking in pubs etc and killed the pubs and clubs but then they still allow in in the parliment bars etc and also prisons. (I dont smoke but if a smokey pub bothered me then I dont have to go in) They are going to put the minimum price on booze (already happened in Scotland) instead of getting tough on the people causing trouble when drunk (They wonder why lots of people now use drugs........ they are so much cheaper than drinking thats why (I dont do drugs either but do like a few beers ;). We have government adverts on TV all the time telling us what we should and should not do and to be honest the more I get told the less I take notice.
We have a local BNP councillor who got in of what used to flip flopp between labour and conservatives and the whole place has been shaken up and the amount of things that they have achieved in the community that the others have been promising for years is outstanding. This person will be hot favorite to be re-elected and not because all the voters are racist but because of the benefit for the local community.
In the european elections I will vote for the biggest party in my area that wants to pull the UK out of the EU :) Be it UKIP, The BNP or somebody else. Once we get out of the EU which is costing us billions a year as well as forcing all these stupid rules and regulations on us we can get back to trying to bring the country back to life. Would voting BNP in the european elections make me a racist if it was the only party in my area saying they were going to take us out of the EU?
I take people as I find whatever race or religeon they are and thats the way to be :) But I dont mix my words with anybody if thats needed. The BNP has quite a few good policies which could be adopted by other parties. Go and ask the hard working people who have lived in the UK for at least 10 years but originate from abroad and they will tell you just how bad it has got and they wont be shouted down as racists like I would be for giving my opinion on my own country where I was born and paid lots of taxes (Question time a couple of months back was great when the asians were bringing the subject up and couldnt be shouted down)
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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
No it boils down to one simple question as far as you are concerned and I totally disagree with you for the reasons that I have already pointed out above. I support getting a parliament that
fairly represents society which means getting the best people from all backgrounds. Positive discrimination was only ever employed to defeat racism and sexism not the other way around and again I say that the BNP is free to field whatever candidates they want but not all UK citizens are not free to join their political party so there is a great deal of difference.
You've worded it nicely but really it boils down to the fact you support racism towards white people in the name of 'equality' and you've just said it yourself before you get defensive. Not all UK citizens are entitled to run as a candidate for the Conservatives, Labour or the Liberal Democrats either because of the colour of their skin (being white). That is racism, its not positive discrimination although the ruling elite may deem it so because it sounds socially acceptable then. If you want to judge people or bar people because of the colour of their skin, be it black/brown/green/white then you are racist. If you treat somebody different because of the colour of their skin then you are racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
You think it is ok to be racist against one group of people, yet it totally not ok to be racist to another group. In blank terms; racism. I hear you attend anti-BNP rallies? - quite frankly I hope you dont to call the BNP racist when you yourself now appear to advocate racism or as you prefer to call it 'positive discrimination'. It is the height of being hypocritical quite frankly; just like the UAF who call the BNP facists yet call for the BNP to be banned. Ermmmm hello? can they not see the hypocrisy in that?
Obviously not. You are all as bad as eachother.
I find that reply quite offensive tbh to be called a racist. I don't judge anybody by the colour of their skin and have never attacked you so personally. I have attended one anti BNP rally as I do think they are racist however I do not think you are racist for supporting what you see as their 'rights'. I have as much right to my opinion that positive discrimination is not racist as your right to think it is however I do not get personal with you and call you a hypocrite.
I could say I find it offensive that you support electing/choosing people because of their race and not their ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
You have just said yourself that you support banning white people from candidate shortlists (not them exact words but worded to say that) to achieve what you call a 'fairer parliment' despite the fact that fairness means everyone can run for something and are not judged on who they are. If I called for black people to be banned from the buses, from standing as an MP for my party or from standing in parliament, what would that make me? - a racist. You say supporting peoples rights; the BNP see themselves as defending the British (white) rights of the people here. You are both as bad as eachother.
The BNP judge on the race of a person.
The Labour Party judge on the race of a person.
The Conservative Party judge on the race of a person.
You advocate judging on the race of a person.
Ask yourself; what does that make you all?
Postitive discrimination only relates to women shortlists and is an exception of the Sexual discrimination Act - it is in force until 2030. It is therefore lawful having been passed by parliament. There are no 'black' only shortlists so there is no race issue so only the BNP judge on the race of a person. Having said that yes I do support a more fair representation of all minorities in parliament - this does not make me a racist. What does this make us all? I do not know who us all are?Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-