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This is the only real article you need to read on Julian Assange, Iain Dale has got it dead on; http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/debate...s-privacy.html

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Originally Posted by Jordy

This is the only real article you need to read on Julian Assange, Iain Dale has got it dead on; http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/debate...s-privacy.html

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However there is a difference between his personal life and the U.S. government being caught out telling lies, the only 'crime' Julian Assange is guilty of is telling the truth. This isn't about left and right as Iain Dale attempts to make out; its about the truth.

Assange is avoiding trial because it is nothing but a puppet show trial which has been thrown up as a way to get hold of Assange and make an example of him via the devious European Arrest Warrant. If the U.S./EU attempted to put me on show trial, i'd make is as difficult for them as possible.

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Originally Posted by Mail comment

You say that Julian Assange is anti-American, but all he did was publish factual truth.

You're right, how un-American!
- Paul K, Edinburgh, 19/12/2010 5:54

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

However there is a difference between his personal life and the U.S. government being caught out telling lies, the only 'crime' Julian Assange is guilty of is telling the truth. This isn't about left and right as Iain Dale attempts to make out; its about the truth.

Assange is avoiding trial because it is nothing but a puppet show trial which has been thrown up as a way to get hold of Assange and make an example of him via the devious European Arrest Warrant. If the U.S./EU attempted to put me on show trial, i'd make is as difficult for them as possible.

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Agreed, there's probably no basis behind the accusations. Also the crimes which Assange might have committed are irrelevant because any leaks which are true are of far greater importance. It's merely the governments trying to distract the public from the more important issues concerning them.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Agreed, there's probably no basis behind the accusations. Also the crimes which Assange might have committed are irrelevant because any leaks which are true are of far greater importance. It's merely the governments trying to distract the public from the more important issues concerning them.

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Since when is rape not a serious issue? The claims of rape should be fully investigated and he should be put on a fair trial if so. Just because he's leaked things of great importance does not make him immune from anything, even if the timing and circumstances are coincidental. If he turns out to be guilty a lot of people are going to look like idiots and think how the victims must feel supposing that this crime did happen.

CLAIMS are different to the truth. it has already been decided once that they were lies..

I believe that the people should know what is happening with their government although I believe WikiLeaks may be pushing it a bit far by releasing documents which could damage countries foreign relationships.

But Julian Assange does have good fallback when he says that he's going to release even more documents if he's handed over to another countries government.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

Since when is rape not a serious issue? The claims of rape should be fully investigated and he should be put on a fair trial if so. Just because he's leaked things of great importance does not make him immune from anything, even if the timing and circumstances are coincidental. If he turns out to be guilty a lot of people are going to look like idiots and think how the victims must feel supposing that this crime did happen.

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I said they were irrelevant, read. I never said he should be let off the hook, find a quote on that, oh wait, there isn't one. Stop inferring stuff.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

I said they were irrelevant, read. I never said he should be let off the hook, find a quote on that, oh wait, there isn't one. Stop inferring stuff.

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What on earth are you on about?

You originally put this...

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Agreed, there's probably no basis behind the accusations.

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First of all you said there's "probably no basis" behind the accusation, you are not a judge or a jury so you cannot make an assumption either way about it, there's your first instance of playing down the rape claims.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Also the crimes which Assange might have committed are irrelevant because any leaks which are true are of far greater importance.

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Now the rape claims are "irrelevant" because he leaks things on the Internet? Once again playing down rape simply because of other things he's done. Just because he runs Wikileaks does not make the rape claims irrelevant what-so-ever. He may well be doing a good thing but that does not give him immunity, it is also a separate thing to his private life.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

It's merely the governments trying to distract the public from the more important issues concerning them.

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"More important issues", once again playing down the significance and seriousness of rape just because there are other issues at hand.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

First of all you said there's "probably no basis" behind the accusation, you are not a judge or a jury so you cannot make an assumption either way about it, there's your first instance of playing down the rape claims.

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I never said I wasn't down playing them, I was down playing them because they are irrelevant to the real problem which is what the governments have been doing behind our backs, we should not be taking the governments ploys and be distracted by the rape charges which could have little or no basis behind them UNLIKE the leaks.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

Now the rape claims are "irrelevant" because he leaks things on the Internet? Once again playing down rape simply because of other things he's done. Just because he runs Wikileaks does not make the rape claims irrelevant what-so-ever. He may well be doing a good thing but that does not give him immunity, it is also a separate thing to his private life.

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I never said that, again, stop inferring. I said they were irrelevant to the topic at hand which is that governments have been doing naughty stuff behind our backs which, for now, should be everyone's main focus.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

"More important issues", once again playing down the significance and seriousness of rape just because there are other issues at hand.

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There are other issues at hand, I would not regard 'rape' as serious as governments doing the naughty things that they have, just because someone claims they have been raped by someone in the public spotlight does not mean that you should disregard the things that have been leaked. What I am saying is, forget the rape because a far bigger and serious problem is what the governments have been doing and come back the the whole rape fiasco once that's sorted out.