Transsexual's fight for implants lands taxpayer with £18,000 bill

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

If they're depressed and miserable being the gender they are and petty cash can solve all their problems and make them happy then I don't mind. There's not that much tax payer's money spent on gender reassignments as opposed to how much is spent on lazy fools leeching off the government for financial survival.

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But how do you know it will make them happy? What if they spend all of that money that could be used on cancer treatment and it was all for nothing?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

So let me put this to you as cases like this will most probably exist; i'm genuinely depressed because I think i'm ugly and I want to look like Zac Efron, i've attempted suicide numerous times - do you think I should be given cosmetic surgery to quell my 'depression'? or on the other hand and taking the more common sense approach, should I instead be given metal help to combat these problems?

The ethics of common sense and reality are something you are lacking in.

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Well obviously each patient is individual, some respond to counselling well whereas others don't. Yes it may seem ludicrous to pay for this gender reassignment to some but to blindly deny it is completely wrong. The NHS dont just blindly carry out operations like this, various panels of professionals who understand the issues behind decide what the best course of action is. Interestingly this was one of the topics we discussed a few weeks ago in my medical ethics class....

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

If they're depressed and miserable being the gender they are and petty cash can solve all their problems and make them happy then I don't mind. There's not that much tax payer's money spent on gender reassignments as opposed to how much is spent on lazy fools leeching off the government for financial survival.

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So if I felt I needed a nice set of new teeth you'd be happy funding that for me would you? similarly, if you had terminal cancer and were denied treatment on the grounds of cost (which to you is mere 'petty cash') would you approve of this then?

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Originally Posted by Technologic

Well obviously each patient is individual, some respond to counselling well whereas others don't. Yes it may seem ludicrous to pay for this gender reassignment to some but to blindly deny it is completely wrong. The NHS dont just blindly carry out operations like this, various panels of professionals who understand the issues behind decide what the best course of action is. Interestingly this was one of the topics we discussed a few weeks ago in my medical ethics class....

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So if I didn't respond to councselling you'd be happy to give me a comestic makeover to look liek Zac Efron would you? the better question to ask yourself is, would you be happy paying for this type of surgery for somebody else out of your own money because afterall, its easy to spend somebody elses money (that of the taxpayer).

And yes the experts, the same experts & professionals who predicted a mini-ice age in the 1980s, the same experts & professionals who predicted worldwide death with SARS and swine flu.. the list goes on and on.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

So let me put this to you as cases like this will most probably exist; i'm genuinely depressed because I think i'm ugly and I want to look like Zac Efron, i've attempted suicide numerous times - do you think I should be given cosmetic surgery to quell my 'depression'? or on the other hand and taking the more common sense approach, should I instead be given metal help to combat these problems?

The ethics of common sense and reality are something you are lacking in.



The part in bold is my opinion (and its scientific fact) that its impossible to change your sexual identity just as it would be impossible for me to change my real hair colour from black to red, and yes I do think there are mental issues with people who feel they are the 'wrong sex'.

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Well I find that a pretty inappropriate thing to say. Can you post your scientific evidence?
Of course they suffer from a mental illness but that is not the same as saying somebody is mental which has extremely negative connotations. Imagine you were in this position?
Born a male but feel like a female in every way?

You're comparing feeling in the dumps because you don't like your teeth to being depressed enough to kill yourself because you feel like you're the wrong gender.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

So if I felt I needed a nice set of new teeth you'd be happy funding that for me would you? similarly, if you had terminal cancer and were denied treatment on the grounds of cost (which to you is mere 'petty cash') would you approve of this then?



So if I didn't respond to councselling you'd be happy to give me a comestic makeover to look liek Zac Efron would you? the better question to ask yourself is, would you be happy paying for this type of surgery for somebody else out of your own money because afterall, its easy to spend somebody elses money (that of the taxpayer).

And yes the experts, the same experts & professionals who predicted a mini-ice age in the 1980s, the same experts & professionals who predicted worldwide death with SARS and swine flu.. the list goes on and on.

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I'm not aware of any consultant plastic surgeon that is also an expert in geography and public health management.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Well I find that a pretty inappropriate thing to say. Can you post your scientific evidence?
Of course they suffer from a mental illness but that is not the same as saying somebody is mental which has extremely negative connotations. Imagine you were in this position?
Born a male but feel like a female in every way?

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Scientific evidence? because if you are a born a boy you are a boy and if you are a girl you are a girl. Similary, if I dyed my hair purple tommorow it may look purple but it remains black as that is my DNA/gene structure.

If I were in this position i'd want a sex change - just as some people wouldn't mind a comestic makeover free of charge on the NHS yet it doesn't mean I can have it now does it? an insane person may demand a house made of jelly yet it also does not mean he can have it.

People with issues such as this need mental help, not boob jobs - and if their still determined to have it done, they can pay for it out of their own pocket rather than that of my own or the taxpayers, especially when people are being denied life-extending drugs on the NHS due to the grounds of 'cost'.

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Originally Posted by Technologic

I'm not aware of any consultant plastic surgeon that is also an expert in geography and public health management.

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I'm talking about experts/professionals in general, it all comes from experts and professionals - whom you blindly follow. Time after time they are wrong, and again i'd ask; even if they are right on this issue, how can you justify this when people are being denied cancer drugs on grounds of cost?

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

You're comparing feeling in the dumps because you don't like your teeth to being depressed enough to kill yourself because you feel like you're the wrong gender.

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No no no, say if i'm depressed over it - you'd like to pay for a new set of teeth for me would you? i'd like an answer yes or no to that, and i'd also like to know what you think about cancer patients being denied drugs on grounds of costs and then scenarios such as this are given the go-ahead.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Scientific evidence? because if you are a born a boy you are a boy and if you are a girl you are a girl. Similary, if I dyed my hair purple tommorow it may look purple but it remains black as that is my DNA/gene structure.

If I were in this position i'd want a sex change - just as some people wouldn't mind a comestic makeover free of charge on the NHS yet it doesn't mean I can have it now does it? an insane person may demand a house made of jelly yet it also does not mean he can have it.

People with issues such as this need mental help, not boob jobs - and if their still determined to have it done, they can pay for it out of their own pocket rather than that of my own or the taxpayers, especially when people are being denied life-extending drugs on the NHS due to the grounds of 'cost'.

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Dan that is not a scientific fact that is your view which is very narrow. With respect who are you to say they shouldn't have the surgery when it has been granted by health professionals? This is so aggravating because they used to say exactly the same thing about gay people and admit them to mental hospitals to sort them out.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Scientific evidence? because if you are a born a boy you are a boy and if you are a girl you are a girl. Similary, if I dyed my hair purple tommorow it may look purple but it remains black as that is my DNA/gene structure.

If I were in this position i'd want a sex change - just as some people wouldn't mind a comestic makeover free of charge on the NHS yet it doesn't mean I can have it now does it? an insane person may demand a house made of jelly yet it also does not mean he can have it.

People with issues such as this need mental help, not boob jobs - and if their still determined to have it done, they can pay for it out of their own pocket rather than that of my own or the taxpayers, especially when people are being denied life-extending drugs on the NHS due to the grounds of 'cost'.

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As a "member" of the LGBT community i can whole heartedly say that is a load of crap. You're saying that Transsexualism can be cured with "mental" help? Just as being homosexual can be cured can it?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Scientific evidence? because if you are a born a boy you are a boy and if you are a girl you are a girl. Similary, if I dyed my hair purple tommorow it may look purple but it remains black as that is my DNA/gene structure.

If I were in this position i'd want a sex change - just as some people wouldn't mind a comestic makeover free of charge on the NHS yet it doesn't mean I can have it now does it? an insane person may demand a house made of jelly yet it also does not mean he can have it.

People with issues such as this need mental help, not boob jobs - and if their still determined to have it done, they can pay for it out of their own pocket rather than that of my own or the taxpayers, especially when people are being denied life-extending drugs on the NHS due to the grounds of 'cost'.



The same thing, it all comes from experts and professionals - whom you blindly follow.



No no no, say if i'm depressed over it - you'd like to pay for a new set of teeth for me would you? i'd like an answer yes or no to that, and i'd also like to know what you think about cancer patients being denied drugs on grounds of costs and then scenarios such as this are given the go-ahead.

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No and that's ENTIRELY DIFFERENT because again, there's no suicide leading teeth hating disorders out there certainly not like gender disorders.