War: Is it right? [ENDS 01/05/2011]

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Originally Posted by matt

I'll keep it simple, if the war will help a larger number of people at the end of it then it's good as long as it can be kept under control and not expand and end up like most wars nowadays with nothing good coming out of them.

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Obviously, it won't help a larger number of people. As you can see, wars nowadays use nuclear bombs, atomic bombs and so on to win the war. The technology is so advanced until we have no way to get out of it if a bomb is dropped on us. There are many effects of wars. If you drop a nuclear bomb, people within the radius of 2 kilometers can feel the heat. They will get the radiation and will suffer from cancer after the war. They will lose their limbs. Even if you say people out of the radius will not suffer from radiation, they'll suffer from economic problems. Even if you say the next generation will not suffer from the effects, those pregnant women who suffered from the radiation will have defected babies. If you say we can not use bombs for wars, how can you tell them not to use it? What are you thinking? You think they are going to use those thousands of years ago's weapons just to ensure that the outcome of the war will be good? Don't be silly. They are far more complicated than you think they are. You cannot control a war. What you can do is to give them the 'proper education'.

"War does not determine who is right, only who is left."

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Originally Posted by GirlNextDoor15

1. Every single disease is caused by humans fyi. If we do not have war, we won't have Spanish flu, right? If we do not create MSGs or other complicated or harmful substances, we won't have cancer right? If China was not greedy enough to put harmful chemical substances in milk bottles, babies will not suffer from cancer, right?
2. Wars nowadays include bombs (nuclear, atomic etc.) and other weapons. If we do not have wars, harmful gases such as carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide will not be released in a huge amount, right? If harmful gases mentioned above are not released in a huge amount, the global temperature will not increase and the ozone layer will not deplete, right? If the global temperature does not increase and the ozone layer does not deplete, will we still have forest fires? :D
3. As I say, proper education is having the right thinking. You're a little bit off track here. Sorry :) You didn't get the right fact, btw. Martin Luther King was not a preacher! LOL He was a civil rights activist who fights for black men's rights. Why couldn't he choose the violence way? He didn't take the violence way because he got the right mind with the right thinking. :D
4. Life is not getting what you want. If you want to get luxury stuff, you know you have to work for it. You can't just steal it. That's what I was talking about. Learning what we should learn. We learnt that we couldn't steal it just because we want it. :) Life is all about lessons, dear. That brings us back to the right thinking/proper education which we can see the lesson of it or not. It's so obvious you can't see it! haha.. Oh btw.. You just made yourself sound so selfish. ==
5. I didn't tell him to get proper education. It's just that his mind is so messed up that he's thinking at the wrong way. :) Why didn't you see Martin Luther King like that? Plus, he's not smart. He's just tricky enough to escape from people's eye. :)
6. "Education has nothing to do with anything you have mentioned, greed, possesiveness" No offence but you still haven't get the metaphor, don't you? Aww.. poor buddy..

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1. Radiation does occur naturally in the wild, in granite I think? Well high levels in granite, and theres also background radiation, theres the sun which emits radiation and can cause skin cancer, along with the unnatural equivalent of sunbeds. I think everything gives off some sort of radioactivity so no human activity did not cause cancer. You cannot say human activity has caused disease.

2. Global warming has not been proven to be caused by human activity but naturally occurs. And with nuclear devices, as far as I'm aware, don't emit any form of carbon? Also forest fires are natural you turd, it helps kill out old plants, get rid of disease and helps new plants grow. It's just like with the london fire, it burnt out, the errors were seen and it was rebuilt to be much less fire hazardous. In a case of a forest fire, it will just be the case of evolution within plants as a reason for forest fires needing to happen.

3. I never said he was a preacher, but he preached his views. Preach definition: speak, plead, or argue in favor of. And he didn't choose a violent way because it wasn't the right way to go by his mind.

4. I KNOW YOU CANT STEAL IT, HENCE MY MENTIONING OF HAVING TO WORK. But you're failing to see getting what you want has nothing to do with stealing. I can get what I want by using the money I have like a normal civil person. Why do you refer to it as "proper education", naturally civilisations occur and not stealing is a rule not a fact in the sense of we only don't steal because most people don't need to or have been told not to, whereas if you look out in the animal kingdom, things get stolen all the time (food mostly). And how did I sound selfish? By saying you can't say what life is? It's a fact though, no one can tell someone else what life is but only their opinion on life.

5. And who are you to define "the wrong way". In essence, he's just been moaned at to go away by a certain percentage of the country which wasn't at all diplomatic or anything like that, he's going to be a bit pissed. I'm not defending him here, as he's just killing people from his own country without trying to negotiate some sort of election or something. And why didn't I see MLK like Gadaffi? In what sense? Also I meant smart as in academic etc.

6. Yes I do. You're referring to what most parents will teach, not to steal, not to pick your nose, no to bully etc. Well to begin with, the "life lessons" in Libya are likely to be a lot different and parenting there will also be a lot different. Also you can't learn a trait. I can't learn to be very sporty, because I am not. You can't learn not to be greedy, possessive, even-tempered etc. It's just part of who someone is. Also the fact that you try to take the mick out of me when you're trying to type very formal yet you don't even know where to use a full stop and where to use a comma.

*Only read first 3 posts*

War is a necessity, as wrong and harsh as it sounds. Without war the population would be A LOT higher than it is and that would be unstable and uncontrollable.

My points are:
1) War is a must to keep population under control, I'm NOT saying "Go to war, get killed, lower the population" I'm saying inevitably in war there is loss of life which reduces the population which is what we need to do.
2) Discussions are not always feasible or possible. People don't want to discuss, refuse to discuss etc. War is sometimes only a choice by 1 side of the argument, the other are forced to retaliate to protect themselves.
3) If it is the national interest (ie; we are threatened by invasion, bombardment etc.) of course it is right. If we were otherwise going to be obliterated, we have every right to stand up for ourselves and defend ourselves.

That is all.

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

1. Radiation does occur naturally in the wild, in granite I think? Well high levels in granite, and theres also background radiation, theres the sun which emits radiation and can cause skin cancer, along with the unnatural equivalent of sunbeds. I think everything gives off some sort of radioactivity so no human activity did not cause cancer. You cannot say human activity has caused disease.

2. Global warming has not been proven to be caused by human activity but naturally occurs. And with nuclear devices, as far as I'm aware, don't emit any form of carbon? Also forest fires are natural you turd, it helps kill out old plants, get rid of disease and helps new plants grow. It's just like with the london fire, it burnt out, the errors were seen and it was rebuilt to be much less fire hazardous. In a case of a forest fire, it will just be the case of evolution within plants as a reason for forest fires needing to happen.

3. I never said he was a preacher, but he preached his views. Preach definition: speak, plead, or argue in favor of. And he didn't choose a violent way because it wasn't the right way to go by his mind.

4. I KNOW YOU CANT STEAL IT, HENCE MY MENTIONING OF HAVING TO WORK. But you're failing to see getting what you want has nothing to do with stealing. I can get what I want by using the money I have like a normal civil person. Why do you refer to it as "proper education", naturally civilisations occur and not stealing is a rule not a fact in the sense of we only don't steal because most people don't need to or have been told not to, whereas if you look out in the animal kingdom, things get stolen all the time (food mostly). And how did I sound selfish? By saying you can't say what life is? It's a fact though, no one can tell someone else what life is but only their opinion on life.

5. And who are you to define "the wrong way". In essence, he's just been moaned at to go away by a certain percentage of the country which wasn't at all diplomatic or anything like that, he's going to be a bit pissed. I'm not defending him here, as he's just killing people from his own country without trying to negotiate some sort of election or something. And why didn't I see MLK like Gadaffi? In what sense? Also I meant smart as in academic etc.

6. Yes I do. You're referring to what most parents will teach, not to steal, not to pick your nose, no to bully etc. Well to begin with, the "life lessons" in Libya are likely to be a lot different and parenting there will also be a lot different. Also you can't learn a trait. I can't learn to be very sporty, because I am not. You can't learn not to be greedy, possessive, even-tempered etc. It's just part of who someone is. Also the fact that you try to take the mick out of me when you're trying to type very formal yet you don't even know where to use a full stop and where to use a comma.

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1. You do not get your facts right very often.

2. Radiation which occurs naturally usually do not cause cancers. But radiation from bombs will cause diseases. The definition of disease is a sickness which will affect our vital organs. For example. cancer. How could you say diseases such as cancer are not caused by human activities when we human can avoid wars?

3. OMG? How can global warming naturally occurs? Wars will result in extreme greenhouse effect and extreme greenhouse effect will lead to global warming. Please get your facts right. Nuclear devices will emit carbon dioxide and if the combustion is not completed, carbon monoxide will be emitted. Plus, forest fires are not natural. We don't use it as a way to kill out old plants and help the new plants grow. As far as I know, forest fires not only will destroy the ecosystem, the natural habitat will be destroyed too. What do you think? Bring every species in the forest to ZOOS? Come on! Wake up? Plus, if the forest is on fire, soil erosion will happen and whatever you plant on it will not be productive. People around the world are trying to avoid forest fires and you are saying that forest fires help new plants grow? Am I supposed to laugh out loud on this? If you do not trust me, check out this link, TURD. http://www.bugwood.org/pfire/environmental.html

4. I can see you agreeing with me when you say Martin Luther King was in his right mind not to choose the violent way. I'm glad to hear that. :)

5. Let me give you an example. If I want money within a short time, I might take the shortcut and rob it from a bank. That is call stealing and you are trying to say that it doesn't happen in this world when you say "But you're failing to see getting what you want has nothing to do with stealing"? Plus, if we are civilised enough, rob and stealing cases as well as wars will not happen. That is why I say war is not right as it is not necessary when we can just sit down and discuss about it peacefully.

6. I as a normal human being with the right mind can define that what Gaddafi was thinking was very wrong. Just like you said, he is killing people from his own country without trying to negotiate some sort of election. So, isn't that wrong? Will you kill people just because they push you to the reality point where you really have to stop?

7. Oh my goodness! You don't get my metaphor! OMG. What I meant by 'proper education' is that learning from our mistakes and getting experiences from our life with the right mind and the right thinking. Is it so hard for you to get? When we have wars hundreds of years ago and it sacrificed a lot of innocent people, we should not repeat it back by having wars again right now. I have no intention in referring to parents' teaching. Even if we do not get parents' teaching, we still have life experiences to teach us what is right and what is wrong. War is not right and people from all over the world can definitely see that. That's why we have so many protests against war. War is not the right answer and we don't need parents' teaching to tell us that. Life experiences will do. So, there are no differences at where you learn your mistakes and get your life experiences. We are the ones who can only change ourselves. When we set our minds to not be greedy, then it'll definitely be a reminder to us not to be greedy. When you are not sporty, you have to set your mind to be sporty at all times. You yourself can change. You just can't say it's a trait.

8. I type very formal from the very beginning. It's just that you didn't notice it. Your eyes are simply covered by smoke and I hope you get the metaphor, please. :) I'm not perfect but I know I am typing very formal from the very beginning. At least, I will not use foul words like you did. I can guess that you're the type who doesn't think of your actions' consequences when you are angry. You just don't think that much, isn't it? Like I said, I'm not perfect in grammar or whatever. But when you said I try to take the mick out of you, I'm so sorry. I have no intention of doing that but you felt it. How can I stop the feeling, eh? I really have no intention but as you know, whoever feels that I'm trying to take the mick out of him is actually the one who doesn't know where to use a full stop and a comma. :D

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Originally Posted by GirlNextDoor15

1. You do not get your facts right very often.

2. Radiation which occurs naturally usually do not cause cancers. But radiation from bombs will cause diseases. The definition of disease is a sickness which will affect our vital organs. For example. cancer. How could you say diseases such as cancer are not caused by human activities when we human can avoid wars?

3. OMG? How can global warming naturally occurs? Wars will result in extreme greenhouse effect and extreme greenhouse effect will lead to global warming. Please get your facts right. Nuclear devices will emit carbon dioxide and if the combustion is not completed, carbon monoxide will be emitted. Plus, forest fires are not natural. We don't use it as a way to kill out old plants and help the new plants grow. As far as I know, forest fires not only will destroy the ecosystem, the natural habitat will be destroyed too. What do you think? Bring every species in the forest to ZOOS? Come on! Wake up? Plus, if the forest is on fire, soil erosion will happen and whatever you plant on it will not be productive. People around the world are trying to avoid forest fires and you are saying that forest fires help new plants grow? Am I supposed to laugh out loud on this? If you do not trust me, check out this link, TURD. http://www.bugwood.org/pfire/environmental.html

4. I can see you agreeing with me when you say Martin Luther King was in his right mind not to choose the violent way. I'm glad to hear that. :)

5. Let me give you an example. If I want money within a short time, I might take the shortcut and rob it from a bank. That is call stealing and you are trying to say that it doesn't happen in this world when you say "But you're failing to see getting what you want has nothing to do with stealing"? Plus, if we are civilised enough, rob and stealing cases as well as wars will not happen. That is why I say war is not right as it is not necessary when we can just sit down and discuss about it peacefully.

6. I as a normal human being with the right mind can define that what Gaddafi was thinking was very wrong. Just like you said, he is killing people from his own country without trying to negotiate some sort of election. So, isn't that wrong? Will you kill people just because they push you to the reality point where you really have to stop?

7. Oh my goodness! You don't get my metaphor! OMG. What I meant by 'proper education' is that learning from our mistakes and getting experiences from our life with the right mind and the right thinking. Is it so hard for you to get? When we have wars hundreds of years ago and it sacrificed a lot of innocent people, we should not repeat it back by having wars again right now. I have no intention in referring to parents' teaching. Even if we do not get parents' teaching, we still have life experiences to teach us what is right and what is wrong. War is not right and people from all over the world can definitely see that. That's why we have so many protests against war. War is not the right answer and we don't need parents' teaching to tell us that. Life experiences will do. So, there are no differences at where you learn your mistakes and get your life experiences. We are the ones who can only change ourselves. When we set our minds to not be greedy, then it'll definitely be a reminder to us not to be greedy. When you are not sporty, you have to set your mind to be sporty at all times. You yourself can change. You just can't say it's a trait.

8. I type very formal from the very beginning. It's just that you didn't notice it. Your eyes are simply covered by smoke and I hope you get the metaphor, please. :) I'm not perfect but I know I am typing very formal from the very beginning. At least, I will not use foul words like you did. I can guess that you're the type who doesn't think of your actions' consequences when you are angry. You just don't think that much, isn't it? Like I said, I'm not perfect in grammar or whatever. But when you said I try to take the mick out of you, I'm so sorry. I have no intention of doing that but you felt it. How can I stop the feeling, eh? I really have no intention but as you know, whoever feels that I'm trying to take the mick out of him is actually the one who doesn't know where to use a full stop and a comma. :D

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1. That was a bit of a pointless point.

2. So breast cancer of a normal woman is caused by war. You do realise only 2 nuclear bombs have actually been used in society and only 2 majour nuclear reactor emergencies which havn't been near England really, with chernobyl being the nearest but I imagine anything from that is long gone from here. I know you're not from here but cancer does occur naturally, it is excelled by nuclear activity but not caused by it necessarily. Like I said, granite gives off a lot of radiation.

3. Here's nuclear fission: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission take a read. No nuclear breakdown emits carbon (except maybe when it gets nearer the end of breakdown). And just like global warming occuring naturally is an idea, so is global warming. Britain has seen some really thick snow over the years and some really cold and wet summers. So the world isn't exactly warming but it may be changing and it is investigated to be natural. Never once did I say we use forest fires? I said that they were a natural way to allow plant evolution. And even then they only really occur in countries like australia. I think you're going a bit over the top saying it will destroy the ecosystem. And @ your point of animal extinction, it has to occur for evolution. I don't see the bad thing in species dieing out unless its from things such as poachers. And finally on this point: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_are_sm...est_fires_good

4. Yup

5. No, I just said getting what you want has nothing to do with stealing. I never said people don't steal to get what they want. If you knew anything about politics and stuff like that you would know just sitting down and talking about it is not so simple.

6. Yes it is wrong... He just wants to stay but the way he is doing it the wrong way.

7. No one else refers to what you just said as proper education, if anything it's a stupid saying. Life experience teaching whats right from wrong? Not really. I don't steal because my parents taught me not to, if they didn't I could be a real thief right now you never know but if there is no one there to teach then you cannot learn. And at you final point about being sporty, that's like changing who I am and typing it may be simple but you can't change a leopards spots.

8. Again treating me like I'm stupid when you didn't read what I typed properly. I never said you didn't type formal from the beginning, go and re read it. What "foul words" are these? If I did anyway, I'd be quoting you some Stephen Fry but I doubt you know who that is. Also I don't get angry, again assuming you know who I am and again you're calling me an idiot when clearly you don't know your facts.

War is nothing but two harsh opinions colliding, war is not population control.

It is merely two children fighting over something they disagree with, it is the worlds immaturity shining gloriously in mass blood shed, because these people don't care who gets hurt just to be right.

Like I said, but got kindly ignored "War does not determine who is right, only who is left." because no one is right on this earth when it comes to war, because we all believe in that little bible, that we all worship so very much but can't see that it's merely the media of the ancients, striking fear into peoples hearts to control them.

This world is a disgrace, its a shame to see such a feeble race as ourselves destroy it, we only have eyes for our own advancement because we're the most ferocious beast the planet produced.

People want, people take. It ain't right but we still fight.

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Originally Posted by GirlNextDoor15

1. Every single disease is caused by humans fyi.

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By saying this you've discredited every other part of your post and deemed your argument laughable. Diseases aren't man made or "caused" by humans. What a ridiculous thing to say.

War is necessary and natural. It can be both for the right reasons and for the wrong reasons. All civilisations have suffered war in their time and many nations have prospered from it, even the "native" people of that country/area. War is only wrong when the reasons for war have been forgotten and no-one particularly benefits it, other than the war monger who only wanted to attack to kill and to suffer.

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Originally Posted by Technologic

People want, people take. It ain't right but we still fight.

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I like that. It rhymes. :)

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

By saying this you've discredited every other part of your post and deemed your argument laughable. Diseases aren't man made or "caused" by humans. What a ridiculous thing to say.

War is necessary and natural. It can be both for the right reasons and for the wrong reasons. All civilisations have suffered war in their time and many nations have prospered from it, even the "native" people of that country/area. War is only wrong when the reasons for war have been forgotten and no-one particularly benefits it, other than the war monger who only wanted to attack to kill and to suffer.

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Did I say diseases are man made? That is really a ludicrous thought you have in your mind. Diseases are of course not man made but they are caused by humans. Please get the terms right. Man made and caused are both different. If all human appreciate their life and do not abuse some substances ( harmful chemical substances and so on ), humans will rarely have diseases such as AIDS, cancers and so on.
I do understand some people will suffer from war and some might prosper from it. But, when it comes to the reasons of wars, it depends. We all know weapons are to protect ourselves but if we use it in the wrong way, it'll bring a catastrophe. That is why war is still not necessary but it might be natural. :)