2011 Census

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Originally Posted by last post

A big thank you mainly to the Labour Party but also the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats for turning out own capital city into a nearly non-British city.

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Maybe this bit should be bright red as well!

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

Maybe this bit should be bright red as well!

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And where is race mentioned there as a reason for it being a non-British city in my opinion? I don't mention race, read again what I said properly.

I can't believe I have to explain this, it's all very simple. Let's say just for example that in 2001 London was 80% white British and 10% black and asian British. Now, in 2012 that figure changes to 50% white British where as the black or asian figure increases to 40% - it's clear from this that a 20% rise in the black or asian figure means that there has been an influx from African or Asian countries (because that is where black and asian people come from) yes?

So the race part is simply just a correlation of the numbers but because it stands out that's how we can notice radical changes more. It is the same as a high street - imagine on your high street back in 2001 that 1 in 10 people were chinese and the rest white. In 2012, that has changed to 6 in 10 are chinese. Now from this, it's clear that there has been a large influx of chinese people who will (naturally) still retain their own culture.

..so my point is, that with such large scale and sudden mass immigration you prevent integration from taking place. Is this clear enough as to what I mean? race doesn't matter a jot but it's correlated with numbers coming in from Africa and Asia as the people there are black and brown. If the number changes so quickly in a manner that outpaces the black British birth rate, then that suggests a large influx of people who have not been born here in Britain and thus are unlikely to be British in the sense of cultural values.

My point is proven with the language numbers here; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-English.html

Or it could also mean that those from black and asian families have a higher birth rate than white British. That's the problem that we're trying to point out. When you try to make a complex thing with many different factors involved simplistic and attitribute it to one factor, you end up alienating a lot of people.

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

Or it could also mean that those from black and asian families have a higher birth rate than white British. That's the problem that we're trying to point out.

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Indeed and they do have a higher birthrate, but we know from the numbers of the past 10 years that most of the growth especially in the south has come from uncontrolled mass immigration which is into the hundreds of thousands - and that's the issue here.

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

When you try to make a complex thing with many different factors involved simplistic and attitribute it to one factor, you end up alienating a lot of people.

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The alienation doesn't come from me having to explain what should be very easy to understand points, the alienation comes from the fact that London is now a city that is ghettoised and becoming less and less British as the years pass. Nothing to do with race as I said over and over, that's just a non-important by product of the open borders we have.

But you'd agree with me for the need to control and limit immigration to ensure integration and avoid alienation, yes?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The majority of people actually just want proper border controls, do remember that the British people have never been asked if they wanted multiculturalism and mass immigration - it's simply been forced upon us by an out of touch political class who don't have to live with the problems it brings, problems which almost always hurt those whom are poorest in this country.

Have you ever noticed how those who advocate 'diversity' and 'multiculturalism' are usually white middle class liberals who don't have to live amongst any of this? who don't have to put up with low wage jobs being taken, with traditional shops closing, with signs bearing different languages, with not a word of English being spoken on the streets.



Read what I wrote again as I purposely mentioned that colour isn't the problem so you're wrongly winding yourself up at something that I never suggested or hinted at and actually made it clear isn't a problem; it is the culture that is the problem - which I explicitly mentioned as I knew somebody would throw this at me.

I make the point that the influx has been so fast (which colour is an indicator of as it correlates with people from Africa, Asia and elsewhere) that the 'white British' number has now become the minority, with the British monoculture (which includes blacks, asians an so on) as a whole also shrunken. The point is very simple - that from the figures shown, the rate of immigration has been so fast that integration has been made impossible.

And i'd also note, that the one million+ estimated illegal immigrants here naturally don't show up on the survey.



Had yourself and Kardan carefully read what I had written then you'd find that I agree with this and made it very clear. I have not and have never suggested that colour is a means of being classed as British and resent being accused of doing so. Culture, culture, culture - not race.



Do I need to highlight this in bright red or something?

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I was basing what I said on your 'Nearly turning London into a non-British city' from the 'London is 45% White British' you quoted :P

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

And where is race mentioned there as a reason for it being a non-British city in my opinion? I don't mention race, read again what I said properly.

I can't believe I have to explain this, it's all very simple. Let's say just for example that in 2001 London was 80% white British and 10% black and asian British. Now, in 2012 that figure changes to 50% white British where as the black or asian figure increases to 40% - it's clear from this that a 20% rise in the black or asian figure means that there has been an influx from African or Asian countries (because that is where black and asian people come from) yes?

So the race part is simply just a correlation of the numbers but because it stands out that's how we can notice radical changes more. It is the same as a high street - imagine on your high street back in 2001 that 1 in 10 people were chinese and the rest white. In 2012, that has changed to 6 in 10 are chinese. Now from this, it's clear that there has been a large influx of chinese people who will (naturally) still retain their own culture.

..so my point is, that with such large scale and sudden mass immigration you prevent integration from taking place. Is this clear enough as to what I mean? race doesn't matter a jot but it's correlated with numbers coming in from Africa and Asia as the people there are black and brown. If the number changes so quickly in a manner that outpaces the black British birth rate, then that suggests a large influx of people who have not been born here in Britain and thus are unlikely to be British in the sense of cultural values.

My point is proven with the language numbers here; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-English.html

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I don't have an issue with most of your things, the only thing I disagree with is how the census questions/answers are worded. In your example, 80% White British, 10% Black (Assuming you mean non-British here), 10% Asian British - this should read as 90% British (White+Asian) and 10% Not-British (Black), but the way the answers are, and the way the media are portraying it, is that only the White British figures go towards 'British' overall, which is wrong.

I think the first post has figures saying about 13% of people are born outside of the UK. That means 87% are British...

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

My point is proven with the language numbers here; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-English.html

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See that right there is the only problem I have with immigration. I don't mind other cultures, infact I quite enjoy sitting talking to my african housemates about their traditions and religions etc but that's because they speak very good english. However, I cannot stand people who live in my street and insist on speaking a foreign language. It's rude and can be quite intimidating at nights when their sons are the ones standing on street corners (and yes, the ones who refuse to speak english in my area are often the source of most of the crime, hell they've chased me a few times).