East London subjects abused by Muslim gang shouting "bloody ***"

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Originally Posted by Kardan

It would certainly help the problem yes, but people do have their right to their own views, no matter how wrong we might think they are :) (For example, our individual views on gun politics :P)

And in the large aspect of racism, homophobic abuse etc. I like to think that as the generations go on and on, these things are dying out and people are becoming more accepting to different lifestyles and cultures. Sadly though, it will never be eliminated, so even if the country had absolutely no immigration, they'd still be issues.

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Indeed, but we don't need to import the problem from overseas and make it worse as we have enough to deal with already.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

I'd also imagine that if the UK stopped immigration completely (in the crazy scenario that is), I imagine people would still complain about ethnic groups.

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People would still complain about ghettoised areas, correct - me included. But within time they would eventually integrate, although it's going to be a lot harder to have those areas integrate now because the scale of the problem is so large.

I actually laughed at that image for so many reasons. I personally see nothing positive out of multiculturalism if I'm frank as all it seems to do is segregate people, lead to conflict and will probably lead to state fragmentation.

I've just seen the video, and it's just some idiotic chavs trying to cause trouble. Two people have been arrested now though, serves them right.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

I wouldn't claim to know the specific details, but obviously it is different :P The fact is that this type of abuse isn't uncommon, I've been in and around gay bars and clubs and heard this abuse quite a lot. I personally feel that during my time in college there was more homophobic abuse than racism. I just don't see why because a group of muslims that have said it (which do not represent the muslim race as a whole - which is a very important point), that the media then somehow merge it into their arguments on immigration.

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Because the media is powerful and is used as a weapon of fear. You will notice that certain stations always try to avoid the good side, because they want people to be scared. I do however agree that our country is overcrowded and we need to let less people in

This is absolutely disgusting to be honest. I thought people were past hating on gays in the streets, but apparently these people are living in the Medieval times.

It's a shame really because I personally don't believe multiculturalism has failed on the whole and it's just these few and far between stories which crop up now and again which are sad to hear about.

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I've just seen the video, and it's just some idiotic chavs trying to cause trouble. Two people have been arrested now though, serves them right.

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I find the fact they've now been arrested even worse than this sort of abuse.

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I find the fact they've now been arrested even worse than this sort of abuse.

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So it's ok to be homophobic? People are entitled to their opinions, but that doesn't mean you have to shout it at people in the streets. Even without them being homophobic, they were being intimidating to members of the public.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

So it's ok to be homophobic? People are entitled to their opinions, but that doesn't mean you have to shout it at people in the streets. Even without them being homophobic, they were being intimidating to members of the public.

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I don't class other peoples opinions (no matter how much I may disagree with them) as mental disorders or irrational fears by using invented phrases/slurs such as 'homophobia'. I simply find that if an argument is invalid, it can easily be defeated in debate and argument rather than by the fist of the state. I also strongly support freedom of expression and speech on our streets in line with the traditional of English Liberty.