Organ donation opt-out system given go-ahead in Wales

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

But you can opt out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT IS THE PROBLEM PLEASE

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At what age? For 18 years your body is donated, not out of choice.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

I'm going to murder people in protest of the presumption that my actions are property of the state because laws exist

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If you murder people in Wales, ignoring the fact you are killing people, you'll be doing a good thing wouldn't you... Giving organs to the people that need them?

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As for the topic at hand, I can see what issues it may cause. People that are unaware of this will suffer. I can imagine a fair few people being upset to find that their dead relatives have been carved apart without their knowledge or consent, simply because they were unaware that the law changed.

Personally, I'm undecided. I'm not an organ donor now... And whether I will be after death I'd rather leave up to my family that I leave behind, and whether or not they're comfortable with it.

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Originally Posted by Adam

At what age? For 18 years your body is donated, not out of choice.

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I know you're playing devil's advocate and what not, but isn't that the current system for children anyway?

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Originally Posted by Kardan

If you murder people in Wales, ignoring the fact you are killing people, you'll be doing a good thing wouldn't you... Giving organs to the people that need them?

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As for the topic at hand, I can see what issues it may cause. People that are unaware of this will suffer. I can imagine a fair few people being upset to find that their dead relatives have been carved apart without their knowledge or consent, simply because they were unaware that the law changed.

Personally, I'm undecided. I'm not an organ donor now... And whether I will be after death I'd rather leave up to my family that I leave behind, and whether or not they're comfortable with it.

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If you're willing to accept an organ donation, you should be willing to donate an organ when you die (or whenever). End of.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

I know you're playing devil's advocate and what not, but isn't that the current system for children anyway?



If you're willing to accept an organ donation, you should be willing to donate an organ when you die (or whenever). End of.

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But it's clearly not that simple, otherwise the government would just make it a law, rather than having people to opt-out of it :P

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Originally Posted by Kardan

But it's clearly not that simple, otherwise the government would just make it a law, rather than having people to opt-out of it :P

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Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

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Originally Posted by Kardan

As for the topic at hand, I can see what issues it may cause. People that are unaware of this will suffer. I can imagine a fair few people being upset to find that their dead relatives have been carved apart without their knowledge or consent, simply because they were unaware that the law changed

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There are all sorts of safeguards for allowing relatives to have a say in the matter supposedly

I think it's a great idea and will save many lives!

I can see Dan's point. It shouldn't really be for the state to decide. HOWEVER, so very few people actually opt-in to become an organ donor. So you're stuck really. You can't get the NHS sending out forms to everyone because very few people actually care about filling in a form, and you can't really harass them in the street like they did/do with "Give Blood" campaigns. In a way, the opt-out system works purely because it's the only way of getting people to motivate themselves into doing something, out of fear or anger. It's usually how these opt-in/out systems operate effectively.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

Oh dear.

What if a lack of organs affected you or your family personally (I do not wish it to happen), would you change your mind?

It's not like it's difficult to opt out...

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I came across a great Ron Paul quote on Facebook today that can be applied to this debate, here it is.

http://www.ezimba.com/work/130704C/e...1028380200.png

I reject the use of force by the state, and it's as simple as that - even when it can sometimes benefit parts or most of society.

If we need more organs, and we do, and it's a noble cause that many of us may have to rely on in the future - then instead of the state suddenly saying "all of your organs belong automatically to the state upon death despite you not signing anything" people ought to sign up. And if enough people haven't signed up then obviously a better campaign method needs to be launched in getting people to sign up; one idea I can think of is only allowing those who are on the organ donator register (and I am currently not) first place in any transplant list... that is something that would be an acceptable way to go about it.

I ask all of those saying this is a good idea, are you all currently signed up? if not, sign yourselves up before you force me to sign up.

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

If you're willing to accept an organ donation, you should be willing to donate an organ when you die (or whenever). End of.

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I agree.

Willing being the key word.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I came across a great Ron Paul quote on Facebook today that can be applied to this debate, here it is.

http://www.ezimba.com/work/130704C/e...1028380200.png

I reject the use of force by the state, and it's as simple as that - even when it can sometimes benefit parts or most of society.

If we need more organs, and we do, and it's a noble cause that many of us may have to rely on in the future - then instead of the state suddenly saying "all of your organs belong automatically to the state upon death despite you not signing anything" people ought to sign up. And if enough people haven't signed up then obviously a better campaign method needs to be launched in getting people to sign up; one idea I can think of is only allowing those who are on the organ donator register (and I am currently not) first place in any transplant list... that is something that would be an acceptable way to go about it.

I ask all of those saying this is a good idea, are you all currently signed up? if not, sign yourselves up before you force me to sign up.



I agree.

Willing being the key word.

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I don't need to be signed up ;)

But yes it is an interesting point you have raised, but going further on my final point, I truly believe that if you're unwilling to help another human through something like organ donation (opting out or not opting in), then you shouldn't receive organs at all. It's a bit like a double edged sword.