Clegg calls on supermarkets to implement 5p plastic bag tax

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Originally Posted by Red

They aren't biodegradeable so surely reducing the amount can only be a good thing. I always used to take bags when I had no need for them and being charged means you take one only when you really need it.

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Don't think you get my point.

If it's really a good thing and you agree with using less bags, then nothing was stopping you from reusing your older bags in the first place. So my question is, why should somebody step inbetween me and a private company and say "nono you MUST be charged for that bag" when I actually quite like the fact I get free shopping bags after i've spent quite a few quid on my shopping?

Also, they do rot - when was the last time you saw a 1980s Sainburys bag or a 1999 M&S Christmas bag blowing around?

its gd and it works fear not undertaker

i dont get they r w8n til 2015 tho

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Originally Posted by subo

its gd and it works fear not undertaker

i dont get they r w8n til 2015 tho

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It may 'work' but it'll likely have unintended consquences (as these things do) that I explained in my first post.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Don't think you get my point.

If it's really a good thing and you agree with using less bags, then nothing was stopping you from reusing your older bags in the first place. So my question is, why should somebody step inbetween me and a private company and say "nono you MUST be charged for that bag" when I actually quite like the fact I get free shopping bags after i've spent quite a few quid on my shopping?

Also, they do rot - when was the last time you saw a 1980s Sainburys bag or a 1999 M&S Christmas bag blowing around?

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Well like I said. I found it quite annoying that there was a charge at first and despite knowing they were bad for the environment and that we should reduce waste, I would of taken bags for small items that I didn't need. I'm sure majority of people are the same. Everyone would like to get free bags but if this works in making people take them only when they need them then its a good thing.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

It may 'work' but it'll likely have unintended consquences (as these things do) that I explained in my first post.

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ppl will probs buy bags for rubbish bins and wat not but it will still reduce our carrier bag usage and that is gd

i work in a supermarket and ppl r flippin stupid and use excessive carrier bags for no apparent reason! like kirst said just for 1 small item its completely pointless and wasteful. ppl dont need ALL the bags they use for their grocery shopping

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Originally Posted by Red

Well like I said. I found it quite annoying that there was a charge at first and despite knowing they were bad for the environment and that we should reduce waste, I would of taken bags for small items that I didn't need. I'm sure majority of people are the same. Everyone would like to get free bags but if this works in making people take them only when they need them then its a good thing.

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Well maybe the government should start doing other things too to clean up the environment like banning chewing gum (as Singapore have done), making all clubs in town close earlier to prevent the heaps of rubbish that appear in the streets and should ban or heavily regulate what dogs you can own because of the dog mess?

I mean you'll have less freedoms and choice but it's good for the environment, yeah?

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Originally Posted by subo

ppl will probs buy bags for rubbish bins and wat not but it will still reduce our carrier bag usage and that is gd

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Why is it good to reduce carrier bag usage? personally I think it's a good thing that families can keep a supply of plastic carrier bags so that when they go out they can dispose of their rubbish easily in a nearby bin in a quick (and free) manner?

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Originally Posted by subo

i work in a supermarket and ppl r flippin stupid and use excessive carrier bags for no apparent reason! like kirst said just for 1 small item its completely pointless and wasteful. ppl dont need ALL the bags they use for their grocery shopping

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Since when did it become your remit or that of the government to decide my shopping bag habits? I thought the government was there to provide basic services like defence. But you know, maybe the government ought to start getting involved in peoples bedrooms more then to clamp down on teenage pregnancies and STDs, or even the internet too because of fraud and online bullying?

I mean if it's creating a better world then it must be good, right? I mean you'll lose some of your freedoms but heyyy who cares about that?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Well maybe the government should start doing other things too to clean up the environment like banning chewing gum (as Singapore have done), making all clubs in town close earlier to prevent the heaps of rubbish that appear in the streets and should ban or heavily regulate what dogs you can own because of the dog mess?

I mean you'll have less freedoms and choice but it's good for the environment, yeah?

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They might not have those suggestions but other things in place. Eg Fines if you throw down rubbish/gum/cigarette butts/don't pick up dog crap. Most clubs close here early anyway and I don't know what its like where you live but here the streets are cleaned and there isn't rubbish lying on the ground... all dogs poo so how exactly are they gonna regulate that.

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Originally Posted by Red

They might not have those suggestions but other things in place. Eg Fines if you throw down rubbish/gum/cigarette butts/don't pick up dog crap.

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Well why not go one better as it clearly isn't making much of a difference now with the amount of gum stuck to the floor and cigarette buds laying around and just ban them outright as Singapore did with chewing gum? Again, you may enjoy chewing gum but it's for the environment so maybe we ought to look into a ban on it.

And maybe even look into a ban on sweet wrappers which are small (chewit wrappers for example) as they are often dropped too.

The same with small sized bottles and cans in shops, maybe a blanket ban on those products and only sell large bottles of cola etc so that people are forced to fill a reuseable bottle before they leave the house .... afterall, most of the rubbish you see laying around is cans and bottles and not plastic shopping bags.

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Originally Posted by Red

Most clubs close here early anyway and I don't know what its like where you live but here the streets are cleaned and there isn't rubbish lying on the ground...

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Well I must say you ought to see city center streets at 4am in the morning. I've never seen anything like it.

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Originally Posted by Red

all dogs poo so how exactly are they gonna regulate that.

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Ban dogs on public streets. I mean you don't really needddddddd a dog and sure although you may want to buy one off somebody because you like dogs, for the greater good it surely makes sense to ban them or restrict their movement so that our streets are clean?

YES ITS GR8 FOR THE ENVIRONMENT

peeps can still dispose of their rubbish in carrier bags they just have to pay 5p for them or buy a packet from the supermarket! it is gr8 deterrent. it isnt necessary that ppl r entitled to free carrier bags when its at the expense of the planets environment undertaker!

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YES ITS GR8 FOR THE ENVIRONMENT

peeps can still dispose of their rubbish in carrier bags they just have to pay 5p for them or buy a packet from the supermarket! it is gr8 deterrent. it isnt necessary that ppl r entitled to free carrier bags when its at the expense of the planets environment undertaker!

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So you'll agree with me on the banning of chewing gum and small bottles/cans too?