Cyber bullies to be put into prison

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Originally Posted by Kardan

So it's okay for someone at an airport to say they've got a bomb?

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Pretty much.

The first minute of this video tackles that common jibe against free speech, although all of it is superb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoOfRog1EM

If somebody shouts 'bomb' in an airport then by all means have security look over them as they would anyway. By all means, if an airport (private) wants to ban certain phrases on it's private property then that fits in with free speech under property rights - but under no circumstances should somebody be arrested for shouting bomb in an airport or fire in a crowded theatre.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Pretty much.

The first minute of this video tackles that common jibe against free speech, although all of it is superb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoOfRog1EM

If somebody shouts 'bomb' in an airport then by all means have security look over them as they would anyway. By all means, if an airport (private) wants to ban certain phrases on it's private property then that fits in with free speech under property rights - but under no circumstances should somebody be arrested for shouting bomb in an airport or fire in a crowded theatre.

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And I suppose you think that nobody should be arrested if they said they were going to kidnap, torture, rape and kill your 2 year old daughter? I would go and find some examples of extreme hate mail, but I'm on my phone.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

And I suppose you think that nobody should be arrested if they said they were going to kidnap, torture, rape and kill your 2 year old daughter? I would go and find some examples of extreme hate mail, but I'm on my phone.

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But where is the line drawn.

You could easily extend this kind of thought to people such as the Westboro Baptist Church and say that by them saying God Hates ****, Homosexuals are going to Hell etc that they are encouraging violent attacks on gay people and therefore what they say must be banned in order to protect gay people. You could then extend it to a scenario in an airport where a child is misbehaving and the mother shouts "i'm going to kill you" - should she then be arrested?

It's a slippy slope as Christopher Hitchens pointed out.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

But where is the line drawn.

You could easily extend this kind of thought to people such as the Westboro Baptist Church and say that by them saying God Hates ****, Homosexuals are going to Hell etc that they are encouraging violent attacks on gay people and therefore what they say must be banned in order to protect gay people. You could then extend it to a scenario in an airport where a child is misbehaving and the mother shouts "i'm going to kill you" - should she then be arrested?

It's a slippy slope as Christopher Hitchens pointed out.

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You could say 'Where is the line drawn' over most things. Immigration, gun policy etc. Just because it may be difficult doesn't mean it is worth doing. I would consider the.church example grossly offensive (but then it gets complicated for me because of religious rights). As for the mother/child example, I would report it to a nearby police officer. There is no guarantee the woman is the child's mother, and as we've seen recently there have been a few cases of abuse by mothers.

how would they enforce this though? if i was cyber bullying someone & they arrested me i'd just claim my PC was hacked and it wasn't me, there's no way they can prove that you typed whatever has been claimed

I don't understand how they would deal out sentences. People react to things in different ways, some people have mental issues, some people have hard skin and find bullies amusing. I don't think it can be judged honestly.
Education should be enforced to try and tackle it.

Depends on what shape and form the bullying comes in, but in most cases no they should not be put in prison. The only time it's ever justifiable is when the cyber part enters the physical world where already current laws are in place e.g. assault. Sending actual hate mail, being known to the person and things are being drawn on your house or being put through your door, or someone is being paid to torment you in person. Anything like that seems justifiable, but when it's for being called fat or stupid on Facebook, there IS a perfectly good ignore button for a reason.

If I recall correctly, you would still get some blame for letting your computer be hacked as you should have adequate security. Also, the unlikeliness of someone using your computer through "hacking" seems a bit weird, when they could just make sure they're not caught from their own computer :P

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Originally Posted by Kardan

And I suppose you think that nobody should be arrested if they said they were going to kidnap, torture, rape and kill your 2 year old daughter? I would go and find some examples of extreme hate mail, but I'm on my phone.

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Really depends if the hater is known to the hated - if it's just someone on reddit or some online forum, for example, then you could just ignore them rather than rely on the courts to hold your hand. The word "mindless, baseless puff" comes to mind (courts love the word puff it seems :P) However, if you're being bullied in person as well as online by the same individuals or individuals, current laws on assault apply as you are feeling "immediate, unlawful, personal violence." Many cases involve an individual being threatened through these methods and the results tend to work out because the violence is being made through a physical body rather than some cowardly sack of flesh behind a computer.

Cyber bullying must be literally online. If it enters the real world then it becomes actual bullying using cyberspace as a proxy.

I don't think cyber bullying is taken seriously enough.

A teenager commits suicide due to cyber bullying and people respond with, 'they must have been mentally ill, it was only a few names.' Even so, if you repeatedly pick on someone for their size, sex, race, religion, intelligence or anything, if you make their life such hell that they kill themselves you have pretty much caused their death. I don't see how that is not and issue or a crime.

What right does a person have to cause another person any form of grief? From a one-off bullying to a repeated situation where a person can't face their own existence anymore.

I saw a case online where someone publicly posted the messages found in a person's inbox after they'd taken their own life. My one thought was 'how dare someone think they are allowed to do that to another human being?!' In my eyes, that bully was a murderer.

Cyber bullying or any bullying is disgusting and needs to be taken more seriously.

Can I just say that someone Tweeting that they're going to bomb an airport is not cyber bulling at all haha.

If you're only being bullied on a certain thing, e.g. Habbo, make a new account or block/ignore the people, simple! If someone is bullying you on a place like Habbo and you don't block/ignore/report them, then you only have yourself to blame if they cause any further distress towards you.

However, if the bullying is taking place over Facebook via indecent images etc, then it should be taken further, but that's the only reason it should be imo.

This is MY OPINION, don't get all ragey with me.

^^ I agree the person being bullied must do everything in their power to stop it such as blocking accounts. But I think sometimes it gets out of their control.