School children as young as 8 told they would be 'racist' for missing school trip

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I think that's known as a generalistic comment with some humour thrown in.

Only could somebody with their head screwed on backwards comment on a story like this and have a go at the comments by people supporting the parents against this nutjob headmistress. But I guess i'm just not as enlightened or as 'tolerantttttt'.

Ironically it's always those who pretend to be tolerant and open minded who are usually the most close minded and intolerant of any views that differ from their own - as was confirmed the other day when I attended a debate in university on free speech where I sat and watched an audience of young so-called liberals argue that free speech ought to be banned. I bet karter thinks the parents are neatherals and the kids should be forced by law to attend this workshop. Am I right?

A world upside down, it really is.

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I don't know, maybe asking @karter; would be a good idea. I just agree with him that some of the comments on there are pretty extreme...

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Are my comments and the comments on the article not 'inclusive' enough for you? Do my comments and the comments on the article 'alienate' and 'divide' the wider 'community'? Should the mothers and fathers (opps, I meant progenitor 1 and progenitor 2) at this school be less 'close minded' to different 'lifestylesssss'? :rolleyes:

You can always go and read the Guardian or New Statesman where they grovel to and slobber all over the 'Religion of Peace' if you don't like it. Many holier than thou comments there for you to read and make yourself feel morally superior over.

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Don't think he actually said any of that, nor was he referring to your comments. Pretty sure he was on about comments on the site like

"Tell the TRUTH about Islam you despicable traitors!" (after spouting lies about it)
"Barbaric Islam is the radical OPPOSITE of Judaism and Christianity! God's BIBLICAL requirement for ALL humanity is KINDNESS" (not realising that they have the same deity)
"How many Allah u Akbars does one need to hear to know that Islam and democracy are not compatible? The Imams say it. The Quran says it. The followers that kill, rape and maim say it. What more does one need to know" (believing Middle Eastern politics actually follows Islam properly and extremists are the norm)
"18 years abroad serving this country only to return 2 years ago to find it had been over run by multiculturalist scum" (frankly just racist)
"This medieval, misogynistic collection of fairy tales and lies is 10 times worse than Nazism" (errr)
"Islam is a ideologically supremacist death cult" (obviously a true scholar here)

and many more. Those are not open-minded opinions but close-minded and very dangerous lies

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Don't think he actually said any of that, nor was he referring to your comments. Pretty sure he was on about comments on the site like

"Tell the TRUTH about Islam you despicable traitors!" (after spouting lies about it)

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And what were those?

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

"Barbaric Islam is the radical OPPOSITE of Judaism and Christianity! God's BIBLICAL requirement for ALL humanity is KINDNESS" (not realising that they have the same deity)

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So you claim Islam is as soft, trouble-free and cuddlesome as Judaism and Christianity?

It's exactly this sort of whitewashing why I wouldn't want my kids to be taken to one of these workshops.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

"How many Allah u Akbars does one need to hear to know that Islam and democracy are not compatible? The Imams say it. The Quran says it. The followers that kill, rape and maim say it. What more does one need to know" (believing Middle Eastern politics actually follows Islam properly and extremists are the norm)

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Again, the same as above. Islam has very deep, very deep problems within it and it's simply a lie to brush that aside and say that every religion has extremists within because Islam outstrips them all by miles.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

"18 years abroad serving this country only to return 2 years ago to find it had been over run by multiculturalist scum" (frankly just racist)

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Yawn, multiculturalism isn't multiracialism.

Like the headmistress you too don't even know your terms and meanings.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

"This medieval, misogynistic collection of fairy tales and lies is 10 times worse than Nazism" (errr)
"Islam is a ideologically supremacist death cult" (obviously a true scholar here)

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Fair enough on those.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

and many more. Those are not open-minded opinions but close-minded and very dangerous lies

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You've picked the worst out of 250 odd vastly rational comments, and out of those comments only a handful are actually silly comments. Well done for that.

If you think that Judaism and Christianity are soft, trouble-free, and cuddlesome then you really need to read a book or turn the news on some time. Obama is openly Christian and yet personally assassinates anyone he thinks is troublesome using remote drones, also killing thousands of innocent civilians and children. As for Judaism, you need only look at the atrocities of Israel to see that there are huge problems there. The Crusades? Obv never happened. Moorish genocide in Spain by the Inquisition? Not a problem. A handful of angry extremists with no governmental power taking it upon themselves to attack people? ISLAM IS A PROBLEM DOWN TO THE CORE.

And yes obviously I picked the bad ones, that was kinda the point. I was showing what type of comments Karter was referring to

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

If you think that Judaism and Christianity are soft, trouble-free, and cuddlesome then you really need to read a book or turn the news on some time. Obama is openly Christian and yet personally assassinates anyone he thinks is troublesome using remote drones, also killing thousands of innocent civilians and children.

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We agree on the stupidity of Obama but we seemingly don't agree that the United States is waging a religious war. The extremism in the mosques across the western world (funded by Saudi oil money) is a huge problem, even Tony Blair has admitted it in relation to the Woolwich attack. The Arab spring for example and the civil war in Syria now, it's a huge civil war in Islam with different sects of the religion (many extreme and radical) wrestling for control. You just don't see this because when you think Saudi Arabia or Iran you just think it's all about country a hates country b, but this is all religious.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

As for Judaism, you need only look at the atrocities of Israel to see that there are huge problems there. The Crusades? Obv never happened. Moorish genocide in Spain by the Inquisition? Not a problem. A handful of angry extremists with no governmental power taking it upon themselves to attack people? ISLAM IS A PROBLEM DOWN TO THE CORE.

And yes obviously I picked the bad ones, that was kinda the point. I was showing what type of comments Karter was referring to

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It's more than a handful dear, do wake up and smell the coffee. Whether it's the Saudi-funded mosques in the west pumping out Waahabi hatred or whether it's the radicalisation of Islam world over (Brunei recently announced the beginning of the implementation of Sharia Law) - to compare Islam to Christianity and Juadism is ridiculous.

I mean just take your attack on Israel (and I suspect we'll agree on many points) - you cannot deny at the end of the day that Israel is a leading example and a shining light when compared to it's Islamic neighbours. I'd rather be an Arab, gay or a woman in Israel anyday than be in a muslim country.

I'm actually a fan of Islam and believe the Middle East would be a moral desert without it, but I am not going to sit here and pretend that Islam is on a par with Christianity and Juadism in the year 2013.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

We agree on the stupidity of Obama but we seemingly don't agree that the United States is waging a religious war. The extremism in the mosques across the western world (funded by Saudi oil money) is a huge problem, even Tony Blair has admitted it in relation to the Woolwich attack. The Arab spring for example and the civil war in Syria now, it's a huge civil war in Islam with different sects of the religion (many extreme and radical) wrestling for control. You just don't see this because when you think Saudi Arabia or Iran you just think it's all about country a hates country b, but this is all religious.

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Tony Blair that well-known truth teller. ps never said extremism doesn't exist

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

It's more than a handful dear, do wake up and smell the coffee. Whether it's the Saudi-funded mosques in the west pumping out Waahabi hatred or whether it's the radicalisation of Islam world over (Brunei recently announced the beginning of the implementation of Sharia Law) - to compare Islam to Christianity and Juadism is ridiculous.

I mean just take your attack on Israel (and I suspect we'll agree on many points) - you cannot deny at the end of the day that Israel is a leading example and a shining light when compared to it's Islamic neighbours. I'd rather be an Arab, gay or a woman in Israel anyday than be in a muslim country.

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If by shining light you mean a beacon for terrorist ideals then sure. Murder, arson, torture, all unpunished because it's sanctioned and even ordered by those in power there. I don't personally want to live the way fundamentalist Muslims do but then I don't want to live the way most white Christian Britons do either, wouldn't suggest that being a Christian makes one a bad person just because the WBC exists though

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Tony Blair that well-known truth teller. ps never said extremism doesn't exist

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Indeed, but he's right on this one.

But if you admit Islam has huge and very deep problems with extreme doctrines being very popular throughout the muslim world (a problem Christianity and Juadism do not have on such a scale) then we agree completely.

My point is, don't sit here and pretend the problems in Islam are confined a tiny minority in the same way that the problems in Christianity are confined to a very small minority.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

If by shining light you mean a beacon for terrorist ideals then sure. Murder, arson, torture, all unpunished because it's sanctioned and even ordered by those in power there. I don't personally want to live the way fundamentalist Muslims do but then I don't want to live the way most white Christian Britons do either, wouldn't suggest that being a Christian makes one a bad person just because the WBC exists though

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If you were an arab, gay, a woman or - to pick one of your favourite causes - transgender, would you rather live in Israel or a muslim country like Palestine?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Indeed, but he's right on this one.

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"X is wrong unless they agree with me"

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

But if you admit Islam has huge and very deep problems with extreme doctrines being very popular throughout the muslim world (a problem Christianity and Juadism do not have on such a scale) then we agree completely.

My point is, don't sit here and pretend the problems in Islam are confined a tiny minority in the same way that the problems in Christianity are confined to a very small minority.

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And MY point was that extreme doctrines are a huge problem in Christianity and Judaism, not that Islam doesn't have problems. You completely ignored the list of evil deeds done in those names (and even keep pretending that the terrorist state of Israel isn't a big deal) and went straight back to talking about what a small (yes, it is small) number of Muslims do

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

If you were an arab, gay, a woman or - to pick one of your favourite causes - transgender, would you rather live in Israel or a muslim country like Palestine?

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Genuinely would make no difference since both are places of extreme danger to everyone regardless of who/what you are. Certain things not being specifically illegal in Israel doesn't seem to stop them from being punishable by torture and death at the hands of the military police who know that they'll never be reprimanded for it

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Are my comments and the comments on the article not 'inclusive' enough for you? Do my comments and the comments on the article 'alienate' and 'divide' the wider 'community'? Should the mothers and fathers (opps, I meant progenitor 1 and progenitor 2) at this school be less 'close minded' to different 'lifestylesssss'? :rolleyes:

You can always go and read the Guardian or New Statesman where they grovel to and slobber all over the 'Religion of Peace' if you don't like it. Many holier than thou comments there for you to read and make yourself feel morally superior over.

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I love this so much because I said nothing and you just guessed what my opinion was.
First of all let me clear it up, I don't agree with the 'Religion of Peace' statement in the first place so just stop shoving that dry ass phrase in front of me because I know that many elements of Islam are not peaceful and morally quite wrong. I live in a country where there are 150 million Muslims so believe me, I know.

Examples of some of the comments which you might agree with but are genuinely messed up.

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There is no way any child of mine would be allowed to go on a field trip that had anything to do with Islam. End of. Call me racist if you wish though I have no colour bar whatsoever.

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Well, choose a religion that does not promote the killing all those who do not believe in their religion. There are loads of non-Christian ones to choose from Bhuddism, Hinduism, Shinto even. Why choose the one that most people feel is a threat to both our society and culture as well as the country itself? Look at what islam has done to Christians in the Middle East, even Christian priests get their throats cut by them just for being Christian, churches are burned down - because they are Christian.

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Religion is a human disease and our children should be innoculated against it.

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Aah yes, intelligence oozing out of every single comment above :rolleyes:. Now here's what's important - People have every right to follow whatever religion they are following no matter how oppressive it might seem to a second person, you however should learn that it is neither your business and nor an opportunity to determine what's right and what's wrong. I strongly despised many elements of Islam but I overcame my narrow mindedness to FINALLY shut up about it and FINALLY realize that your opinion is ******

You can rant about Islam and immigration all you want, I don't care but please don't live in a delusion that you have some kind of lofty evolved way of thinking. Of course forcing kids to go to a mosque for a field trip is wrong, but campaigning against this at this level which obviously brings in a lot of religious hate ain't right either? I now am expecting a reply filled with youtube videos on how Islam is oppressive some blah speech by a white guy. But you know what my favourite thing is? That you will never identify with the real issues. You will never know how kids grow up in Muslim homes bearing the tags of 'oppressed' or 'primitive' and you will never know how people have to deal with shame just for following their religion. So yeah that's why I am not taking this crap coming from a white male.

(I believe) There is no harm in religious studies and these kinds of field trips so that kids don't end up being prejudiced jerks like their parents. A child will not turn to terrorism or convert to Islam if he/she visits a mosque. Minorities might finally feel a little more accepted. There is no harm. Sorry for challenging your opinion and sorry for having an opinion that differs from yours but please note that your opinion is vulnerable to criticism and is a very ****** opinion.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Indeed, but he's right on this one.

But if you admit Islam has huge and very deep problems with extreme doctrines being very popular throughout the muslim world (a problem Christianity and Juadism do not have on such a scale) then we agree completely.

My point is, don't sit here and pretend the problems in Islam are confined a tiny minority in the same way that the problems in Christianity are confined to a very small minority.



If you were an arab, gay, a woman or - to pick one of your favourite causes - transgender, would you rather live in Israel or a muslim country like Palestine?

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Please do explain to me how the majority of Muslims have these problems you are talking about. I would love to argue that it is in fact a minority.

Oh, and great poster @karter;