Schools could open from 9am to 6pm 25 weeks year

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Originally Posted by Skandair

During my first few years at school I was terrible at it... now I'm one of the smartest in my year (it's a really bad school okay) and I would of missed out on that school because I started late. Like everything, it's flawed.

I like the idea but I can see people slipping through. It just doesn't seem fair. :)

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Under the strict 11+ system that's true, but it's as equally true that the system could be made more along the German model whereby the ability to move students at anytime would remain open and would be generally more flexible.

The people slipping through right now are the children of the poorest who are bright but have the odds against them. And it's a great shame.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Who suggested you suffer? The point in selection is that we realise and accept that some people are more academic than others and thus they should be seperated and put among their own kind (the top 30% odd) where they can work faster, take on harder work and work generally in an environment which is more suited to academic learning.

Selection also gives the brighter kids who are poor a better chance at climbing the social mobility ladder as under grammar schools those kids who were bright but poor had the chance to go to a top quality school whereas now they're forced to go to crap local comprehensives - the wealthy meanwhile can simply pay and send their children to top private/religious schools.

That's why it's always remarkable to see how many of the Labour frontbench (the people who brought us comprehensive schools) send their children to the few remaining grammar schools, independent schools or move into a wealthy area to get into a good comprehensive state school - whereas the rest of us have no choice but to attend the crap local comprehensive that's more like a zoo than it is a school.

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Children in poorer schools are less likely to perform as well as those in more affluent schools due to the standards of teaching, regardless of their intelligence. Private schools offer scholarships for the brightest children.

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Originally Posted by The Don

Children in poorer schools are less likely to perform as well as those in more affluent schools due to the standards of teaching, regardless of their intelligence. Private schools offer scholarships for the brightest children.

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Because they are condemned to a lifetime of being stuck in the poor local comprehensive school. Imagine how isolated an intelligent child feels when trapped in a local school where 95% of the children have no intention of wanting to learn, the education itself is poor and they're probably socially isolated. The solution? Move them to a grammar school so they can be with people similar in intellect and personality to themselves.

And absolutely, and well done on private schools - but my point is, why not extend such a system to the entire country? It's interesting to note btw that the same people on the left who abolished the grammar schools are very keen on abolishing the private schools.

If this happend I think it would be incredibly unfair as I barely get any free time after school as it is.

My and my mum spoke about this the other day when it was first discussed.
I Basically said: I finish school at 3:20, Get on the bus at 4pm, Get home at 5pm, Eat dinner so I'm done by half 6, Bath etc, Half 7, Homework, around 9pm sometimes which is ridiculous ;)
Then that leaves me with around 1-2 hours free time which is euh

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Originally Posted by IzzyUhh

If this happend I think it would be incredibly unfair as I barely get any free time after school as it is.

My and my mum spoke about this the other day when it was first discussed.
I Basically said: I finish school at 3:20, Get on the bus at 4pm, Get home at 5pm, Eat dinner so I'm done by half 6, Bath etc, Half 7, Homework, around 9pm sometimes which is ridiculous ;)
Then that leaves me with around 1-2 hours free time which is euh

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It would be very unlikely that you'd get homework as such, you'd be having dinner later at school so the need might not be as bad. :) Idk tho

I don't think this is really necessary. Are they talking about doing this for both primary and secondary education?

Completely absurd idea, you will have low morale across students and teachers and not even the average work shift (9-5) is that long?

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Originally Posted by Skandair

It would be very unlikely that you'd get homework as such, you'd be having dinner later at school so the need might not be as bad. :) Idk tho

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yeah but its also the fact of less free time
I only get around 2-3 hours now
Imagine getting extra lessons or after schools omg. Till 7/8pm.

We still practice selection even though the 11 plus was scarpped. Schools just set their own entrance exams. In my area, we sit exams and go to the grammar/tech at 14 which imo is a much better age for selection.

9-6 is ridiculous for both students and teachers!

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Originally Posted by IzzyUhh

yeah but its also the fact of less free time
I only get around 2-3 hours now
Imagine getting extra lessons or after schools omg. Till 7/8pm.

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Well say you leave for school at 8 and get home at 7, you'd still get a few hours in. 11 hours.

Teens should sleep for 9 hours so lets take that away too! 9 hours.

11 + 9 = 20

24 - 20 = 4

WOO 4 HOURS FREE TIME!