State schools isolate non-Muslims

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Pretty sure British culture is and always has been an amalgamation of everything that we've experienced either as neighbours or invaders. You're absolutely delusional if you think that culture is a constant, and it's not self-loathing to not particularly care about things that I'm told by racists are "good British customs"

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That is a repeated lie and you should stop repeating it. We've NEVER had immigration or cultural change on this scale. Ever.

First 3 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDGejzIi8ts

Britain, like Japan, is a insulated nation compared with others on the continent. We are not a 'nation of immigrants'.

Ok but I never said that. I said we amalgamate customs and cultures from all over, which is absolutely true otherwise we'd still believe that raping someone means you're married, killing someone is fine as long as you give their dad some money, children are just expendable slaves and/or commodities, being inbred makes you a better person, horrific abuses on other people is fine if you have a receipt, and all sorts of other "customs" which we no longer hold true. Of course changes happen quicker as movement of information becomes quicker, but that doesn't make it a bad thing

Providing no options for people to integrate will do nothing but further segregate them. Referring large numbers of muslims migrating to Britain as third worlders with 15th century beliefs is absolutely racist.

In regards to those 'sources' you've provide, i'll respond to you with your own quote.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Oh ha ha ha, quoting newspaper polls on the internet in (I presume) left wing rags isn't representative of the Australian public. If you want real opinion polling on the matter, then look at the scientific polls carried out by pollsters which finds a close race but one in which the Monarchy enjoys majority support in Australia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republi...Public_opinion After all, the Monarchists also won the 1999 referendum.

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Funny how you dismiss newspaper polls in one situation and then use them when they suit you. Such a hypocrite it's unreal.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Ok but I never said that. I said we amalgamate customs and cultures from all over, which is absolutely true otherwise we'd still believe that raping someone means you're married, killing someone is fine as long as you give their dad some money, children are just expendable slaves and/or commodities, being inbred makes you a better person, horrific abuses on other people is fine if you have a receipt, and all sorts of other "customs" which we no longer hold true. Of course changes happen quicker as movement of information becomes quicker, but that doesn't make it a bad thing

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Yes, and I do not deny that or have a problem with it.

What I have a problem with is the scale of the change and which direction the culture will go in if we continue to allow people with the kinds of views you listed into this country. So to turn around and tell me to get on with it 'becuz its always happened' is not addressing the issue and is indeed confusing the issue. Newly arrived immigrants into this country should integrate with our culture. Period, end of story.

So can we please stop with this lie that British culture is in some way worthless and we should just throw it away 'because times change'. Or that our culture has always been influenced by other cultures to the extent which it has in recent years because it is simply not true.

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Originally Posted by The Don

Providing no options for people to integrate will do nothing but further segregate them. Referring large numbers of muslims migrating to Britain as third worlders with 15th century beliefs is absolutely racist.

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The option is there to integrate - being that to get along you have to integrate. What else would you have us do?

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Originally Posted by The Don

Funny how you dismiss newspaper polls in one situation and then use them when they suit you. Such a hypocrite it's unreal.

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The polls I provided are not newspaper polls.

Do I again have to explain polling to you as though we're in primary school? A newspaper/social study group will commission a poll to a polling organisation (like ICM/YouGov/Survation etc) which will then carry the poll out. The poll will then be presented as a 'The Sun/YouGov Poll SAYS' but which is not exclusive to Sun newspaper readers. The polls provided on that page are to my knowledge (and prove me wrong if you can) scientific polls.

Now I ask you to kindly withdraw your charge of calling me a hypocrite and admitting you were wrong because you don't understand polling.

Yeah who cares what people like we should force them all to sing hymns to St George and wear Union Flags at all times while quaffing beer and complaining about the poofs down the street before shaving their heads and getting into a fight because someone flipped a coin and it didn't land on heads which is disrespectful to the Queen. I'm not sure what you think "British culture" is but it's certainly not jolly gentlemen and proper conduct

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Yeah who cares what people like we should force them all to sing hymns to St George and wear Union Flags at all times while quaffing beer and complaining about the poofs down the street before shaving their heads and getting into a fight because someone flipped a coin and it didn't land on heads which is disrespectful to the Queen. I'm not sure what you think "British culture" is but it's certainly not jolly gentlemen and proper conduct

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Again, can't engage in proper debate and instead acts as court jester.

That would be like me in discussion on Indian culture making the charge that all Indian culture is is eating curry and throwing paint. Infantile.

Or like calling all Muslim culture "third world Medieval"

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Or like calling all Muslim culture "third world Medieval"

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Did I?

But much of the Middle East and northern Africa (where Islam is the dominant force) is medieval compared with the western world, yeah.

I would also apply the same to southern Africa which is mainly Christian.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Yes, and I do not deny that or have a problem with it.

What I have a problem with is the scale of the change and which direction the culture will go in if we continue to allow people with the kinds of views you listed into this country. So to turn around and tell me to get on with it 'becuz its always happened' is not addressing the issue and is indeed confusing the issue. Newly arrived immigrants into this country should integrate with our culture. Period, end of story.

So can we please stop with this lie that British culture is in some way worthless and we should just throw it away 'because times change'. Or that our culture has always been influenced by other cultures to the extent which it has in recent years because it is simply not true.

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The option is there to integrate - being that to get along you have to integrate. What else would you have us do?



The polls I provided are not newspaper polls.

Do I again have to explain polling to you as though we're in primary school? A newspaper/social study group will commission a poll to a polling organisation (like ICM/YouGov/Survation etc) which will then carry the poll out. The poll will then be presented as a 'The Sun/YouGov Poll SAYS' but which is not exclusive to Sun newspaper readers. The polls provided on that page are to my knowledge (and prove me wrong if you can) scientific polls.

Now I ask you to kindly withdraw your charge of calling me a hypocrite and admitting you were wrong because you don't understand polling.

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I was indeed wrong about the newspaper poll comparison and calling you a hypocrite, I misread one of the articles. However, half of those 'sources' are dead links and about 5 of them all link to the same pdf. I also can't find the original source that all those articles are quoting so as far as i'm concerned they are not eligible sources.

Anyway, we're going off topic. This incident is not representative of british muslims, and contrary to what you believe, they are not mostly 'third worlders' with '15th century views'.

Maybe you just need a history lesson then since there have been huge changes in those places since medieval times, just like there has been here - oops, I forgot that I'm not allowed to suggest that culture changes ever

Have you ever been to these places? I have and while it's obviously rather different to Worthing they aren't stoning people in the streets or riding people down for looking a bit poor. I'd be interested to know exactly what you think British culture is anyway, since you never really manage to define it beyond Victorian beliefs.