Polling: European Elections, Scottish independence referendum & Eastleigh 2015

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Originally Posted by Southe,

I wouldn't acknowledge a poll even if it had Yes in the lead, i don't need hope. I'm 95% positive that Yes will win, every time B2G speaks the more i see people talking a step back and reconsidering there stance. All the lies and scaremongering, the fact Cameron says he won't debate with Salmond and in my view B2G have not laid out a positive plan on why people should say no, it's always piggybacking off what Yes say and telling them No.

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Well as much as a British unionist as I am, I would agree with a lot of what you've said. I said from the beginning that this Unionist campaign should be conducted on what a nation really is: culture, rather than a series of arrangements that make us better off in terms of GDP. A proud people ultimately will not surrender their self-determination for a few extra GDP points, nor should they.

All that said on whether Scotland leaves or not, it's given me great hope for when the time eventually comes in regards to an EU referendum because they're going to use very much the same scaremongering arguments they've used in Scotland as a method to keep us in the EU. :P

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I'm 95% sure that Scotland will say no.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

However the British Government says it doesn't want a currency union, the fact of the matter is that if we don't want a currency union with an independent Kingdom of Scotland then we don't have to enter into one. The United Kingdom will be the successor state, not Scotland.

The same applies for membership of international bodies (UN Security Council), debt, defence agreements, trade agreements and so on.

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Didn't see your edit earlier.
It's not that they said they don't want it, they have just said no and it wouldn't work. Then asked about there proof they have none. If they want Scotland to take on part of the debt which legally there not obliged to do so and UK government have said they retain 100% of the debt. Soon as Yes wins they will allow the pound, people can see through there scaremongering.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Well as much as a British unionist as I am, I would agree with a lot of what you've said. I said from the beginning that this Unionist campaign should be conducted on what a nation really is: culture, rather than a series of arrangements that make us better off in terms of GDP. A proud people ultimately will not surrender their self-determination for a few extra GDP points, nor should they.

All that said on whether Scotland leaves or not, it's given me great hope for when the time eventually comes in regards to an EU referendum because they're going to use very much the same scaremongering arguments they've used in Scotland as a method to keep us in the EU. :P

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I've seen lots of people ask if Newcastle etc can get Independence from London. London is the problem and the muppets the English vote in charge (Since Scotland vote is meaningless). Also regarding EU I personally don't want to be part of the UK for purely selfish/silly reasons. But i can't stand Nigel Farrage and UKIP so I'm glad he got boo'ed out of Edinburgh.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I'm 95% sure that Scotland will say no.

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Regarding this morning,
Had a lady at my work tell me about the other day when i was off about an English lady saying if she had the vote she would be voting yes as well.

Why any Scottish person would willingly choose to vote No is beyond me. Love to hear there reasons apart from being a wee scaredy

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Originally Posted by Southe,

Didn't see your edit earlier.
It's not that they said they don't want it, they have just said no and it wouldn't work. Then asked about there proof they have none. If they want Scotland to take on part of the debt which legally there not obliged to do so and UK government have said they retain 100% of the debt. Soon as Yes wins they will allow the pound, people can see through there scaremongering.

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Yes but borrowing rates will probably rise for Scotland and rUK will look like angels (ok that bit isn't really meant to be serious).

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I've seen lots of people ask if Newcastle etc can get Independence from London. London is the problem and the muppets the English vote in charge (Since Scotland vote is meaningless). Also regarding EU I personally don't want to be part of the UK for purely selfish/silly reasons. But i can't stand Nigel Farrage and UKIP so I'm glad he got boo'ed out of Edinburgh.

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(nicked from a Reddit comment)
"We want independence from the UK because we don't get fair recognition and most of the focus is on the City of London"
"In order to ensure stability we will be tying ourselves to the City of London"

I wish people would stop saying ******* Scottish vote is meaningless. You could cut any group of 5 million(?) and it would make little to no bloody difference in result. Whenever that argument or the "WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT" is pulled it makes them sound like they have some special entitlement or something. Go back to the Labour government, how many Scottish people didn't vote Labour??? 60% in 2005. It's not even a bloody Conservative government either. I'd go on but I need to shower.

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Regarding this morning,
Had a lady at my work tell me about the other day when i was off about an English lady saying if she had the vote she would be voting yes as well.

Why any Scottish person would willingly choose to vote No is beyond me. Love to hear there reasons apart from being a wee scaredy

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Because you'd have a significantly reduced defence, have no real plan set out before the actual vote (just a bunch of possibilities), have virtually no infrastructure for many things at the start (so large costs involved), threats from large businesses who would move to England, etc.

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Originally Posted by Southe,

Didn't see your edit earlier.
It's not that they said they don't want it, they have just said no and it wouldn't work. Then asked about there proof they have none.

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Er yes it does, the majority of Scots - for now - want to retain the Union. In poll after poll.

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Originally Posted by Southe,

If they want Scotland to take on part of the debt which legally there not obliged to do so and UK government have said they retain 100% of the debt. Soon as Yes wins they will allow the pound, people can see through there scaremongering.

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Well no that is true, but it's also true that that would mean a default on your debts which would make you an international laughing stock and would make it very hard for you to lend on the international bond markets. You can also hypothetically keep the Pound Sterling regardless of what we say (just as the UK could adopt the US Dollar tomorrow without the US appproving) but you wouldn't automatically, if at all, have a right to decide monetary policy: that power would remain with the Bank of England and the Brtiish Government.

If you want independence then stop trying to hang on to the British currency and take responsibility for your debts.

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Originally Posted by Southe,

I've seen lots of people ask if Newcastle etc can get Independence from London. London is the problem and the muppets the English vote in charge (Since Scotland vote is meaningless).

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I'd agree that we vote muppets in charge, but Scotland has a far worse record than England in voting for morons. 41 Scottish Westminster seats are Labour seats and your two main parties are the spendthrift SNP and Labour Party.

The north of England can hardly complain either, they continuously vote Labour in large numbers.

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Originally Posted by Southe,

Also regarding EU I personally don't want to be part of the UK for purely selfish/silly reasons. But i can't stand Nigel Farrage and UKIP so I'm glad he got boo'ed out of Edinburgh.

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Yeah, he was boo'd in Edinburgh by a load of Scottish far-left nuts.... but he's returning very soon you'll be glad to hear. :P

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Originally Posted by Southe,

Why any Scottish person would willingly choose to vote No is beyond me. Love to hear there reasons apart from being a wee scaredy

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If that Scot feels proud to be British and feels Britain is his country then it's not that hard to understand really, is it?