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18-08-2014, 04:07 AM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Well no you can't, because I don't. You are a liar. As for hundreds if not thousands on a weekly basis, try 171 in total prior to the Israeli invasion compared to 220 targets hit by Israel in the first day of attacks.

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Israel isn't going to sit there and take it anymore my friend, and nor should it.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

You claim that murdering thousands of civilians (70% of all deaths in this particular conflict), flattening homes and businesses, bombing UN shelters, shooting anyone who flees, breaking ceasefires within minutes as people are returning to their homes, and forcing survivors into smaller and smaller supposed safe zones (before bombing them) is an operation "to disabled Hamas rocket attacks" and I'm the delusional one. I assume you have no access to any kind of journalism as calling a spade a spade is not even close to propaganda, but defending genocide and pretending it's a defence issue certainly is

I have no doubt that Israel will have acted badly in some cases, but that is the nature of war as is the fact that civillians will die. But this is a targted campaign because Israel's objectives are very clear: take out the Hamas tunnels and disabled the ability of Hamas near the border to fire short range rockets into Israel - hence why the operation has continued onwards despite international criticism as Israel is very close to achieving her mission objectives.

The problems the people in Gaza have in terms of the death toll is that the people they voted in (Hamas) are keen on using them as shields.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Again I don't support Hamas. Weak point with no score, try again

So in your mind, what should the response of Israel to constant rocket attacks from Hamas be?
18-08-2014, 04:21 AM
FlyingJesus

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

take out the Hamas tunnels

Now do correct me if I'm wrong but aren't tunnels under the ground and usually not in the shape of screaming civilians and their entire (above ground) livelihoods?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Israel is very close to achieving her mission objectives.

Yes they certainly are, nearly 9,000 murdered and only 4 million to go

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The problems the people in Gaza have in terms of the death toll is that the people they voted in (Hamas) are keen on using them as shields.

There is 0% proof of any instances at all where Hamas have forced civilians to be in a certain area to be used as human shields, as stated by various journalists as well as Amnesty International. Again you would know this if you were at all educated on the matter. By contrast, Israel does their phonecall trick to appear humanitarian (GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE OR WE'LL KILL YOU, how kind) and then bombs the shelters that the civs have been forced into by the IDF

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

So in your mind, what should the response of Israel to constant rocket attacks from Hamas be?

To attack the actual Hamas operatives and not destroy cities of innocent Palestinian civilians then attempt to label huge swathes of them as militants purely for being males over the age of 16
18-08-2014, 04:10 PM
karter
1. Like FlyingJesus said, Amnesty International found 0 evidence that Hamas was using human shields.

”contrary to repeated allegations by Israeli officials of the use of ‘human shields,’ Amnesty International found no evidence that Hamas or other Palestinian fighters directed the movement of civilians to shield military objectives from attacks. It found no evidence that Hamas or other armed groups forced residents to stay in or around buildings used by fighters, nor that fighters prevented residents from leaving buildings or areas which had been commandeered by militants.”

Here is the link for the report

However Israeli Defence Force is using Palestinian children as human shields. Children.
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2. Intensity of rockets fired from Gaza

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Intensity of rockets fired from Israel into Gaza

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3. Area of Gaza: 365 km2

Area Israel has occupied: 20,770 km2

Israel has bombed Gaza's only power station, contaminated the water, bombed elementary schools, UN shelters, rehabilitation centres for disabled, IDF killed children playing on the beach. Israel has the Iron Dome, Gaza is an open prison. But a few containers fell down in a Tesco but that's a problem ehe glad people have their priorities set :)

Also General Knowledge: Palestine does not comprise of only Muslims, there's a sizable Christian minority. And they have been very active in the protests and the resistance overall. Just an example here. Enough with the cliched ironic usage of "Religion of Peace" It apparently isn't, everyone got the cheap sarcasm years ago, time to settle down.
18-08-2014, 10:08 PM
AgnesIO

A minority of thugs trash Tesco... "ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF EVIL".

Huh?

Out of interest - not related to this article - but what are your thoughts on Buddhism?
24-08-2014, 10:05 PM
hairpins

itz v sad but eye hope tha trashers got kikd n band str8 awaii :L
30-08-2014, 04:59 AM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Now do correct me if I'm wrong but aren't tunnels under the ground and usually not in the shape of screaming civilians and their entire (above ground) livelihoods?

No, tunnels under the ground into Israel are built by Hamas who use them to take out Israeli military personnel.

It's one of the reasons why Israel have taken military action.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Yes they certainly are, nearly 9,000 murdered and only 4 million to go

The numbers in this conflict (2014) are nowhere near that number, and in any case... of course the casualties in Gaza will be higher for the simple reason that Israel is smart enough to build itself an iron dome defence shield from the constant rocket attacks as well as the fact that Hamas purposely hide their armed supplies in schools and hospitals so that any strike takes out Palestinians... thus allowing for gullible people like yourself to lap it up and give Hamas a PR victory.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

There is 0% proof of any instances at all where Hamas have forced civilians to be in a certain area to be used as human shields, as stated by various journalists as well as Amnesty International. Again you would know this if you were at all educated on the matter. By contrast, Israel does their phonecall trick to appear humanitarian (GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE OR WE'LL KILL YOU, how kind) and then bombs the shelters that the civs have been forced into by the IDF

You are absolutely ridiculous, the fact you side with Hamas and pretend that Hamas are just good guys fighting the nasty IDF is hilariously funny. Who is firing the rockets? Hamas. Where do Hamas get the money for rockets and infastructure? The aid given by other nations which is supposed to be spent on building up Gaza: something Hamas aren't interested in.

Do Hamas give warnings to Israel when they fire thousands of rockets? Not a word of warning.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

To attack the actual Hamas operatives and not destroy cities of innocent Palestinian civilians then attempt to label huge swathes of them as militants purely for being males over the age of 16

And that is exactly what Israel are doing.

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Originally Posted by karter

1. Like FlyingJesus said, Amnesty International found 0 evidence that Hamas was using human shields.

”contrary to repeated allegations by Israeli officials of the use of ‘human shields,’ Amnesty International found no evidence that Hamas or other Palestinian fighters directed the movement of civilians to shield military objectives from attacks. It found no evidence that Hamas or other armed groups forced residents to stay in or around buildings used by fighters, nor that fighters prevented residents from leaving buildings or areas which had been commandeered by militants.”

Here is the link for the report

Garbage. Utter slurry.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/...-shields/18534

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Originally Posted by FactCheck

On 10 July the UN released a situation report which deplored the civilian casualties but added: “In most cases, prior to the attacks, residents have been warned to leave, either via phone calls by the Israel military or by the firing of warning missiles.”

But the Hamas-run Palestinian Authority’s Ministry of Interior has told residents not to pay attention to the IDF warnings.

It issued a directive “calling all our people not to deal or pay attention to the psychological warfare carried out by the occupation through rumours that broadcast across his media and delivering publications and communications on the phones of citizens”.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/...-shields/18534

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Israel says Hamas is inviting civilian casualties by placing its rockets in residential areas, next to hospitals, mosques and schools – all of which have been hit by Israeli strikes in recent days.

There is some independent evidence that this may be true, but we don’t know how widespread the practice is.

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency has confirmed that Hamas rockets have been found in two of the schools it operates in Gaza.

Israel has released numerous satellite images of what is says are Hamas command and firing positions very close to civilian houses in residential neighbourhoods in Gaza – but most of these are unverified by independent sources.

It could be argued that there is nowhere else for the militants to place their missile batteries, given the urban density of the Gaza Strip.

And who can forget the lovely Hamas putting this on Gaza TV......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Q8K5TmivM

Think again before you lecture me on the plight of children.

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Originally Posted by karter

However Israeli Defence Force is using Palestinian children as human shields. Children

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And the soldiers were taken to court over it.

I wonder if Hamas had Israel kids, whether they'd do the same?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_ki...aeli_teenagers

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Originally Posted by karter

2. Intensity of rockets fired from Gaza

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Intensity of rockets fired from Israel into Gaza

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Do you not understand war at all?

Of course Israel are going to use better weapons, you don't take a 6ft spear into a fight when your enemy has a 6ft spear - you take a 12ft spear and make sure that you take out the enemy. And you know what, thank GOD Israel has the better weapons otherwise they'd have to face rockets of that size being fired every single day at them until Israel is wiped out by the nutters in Hamas and Palestine.

In any case, one of the main objectives of Israel in this mission is to take out weapons supplies - most of which will be hidden in bunkers under buildings, as well as taking out the tunnels. So of course the bombs used will be heavy artillery, you don't drop homemade bombs to bust open a bunker now, do you?

I think you have a very simplistic and naive idea of war, or then again you probably just want Israel to vanish and aren't naive at all.

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Originally Posted by karter

3. Area of Gaza: 365 km2

Area Israel has occupied: 20,770 km2

Israel has bombed Gaza's only power station, contaminated the water, bombed elementary schools, UN shelters, rehabilitation centres for disabled, IDF killed children playing on the beach. Israel has the Iron Dome, Gaza is an open prison. But a few containers fell down in a Tesco but that's a problem ehe glad people have their priorities set :)

http://electronicintifada.net/conten...ets-power/7844

Evil Israel supplies over 60% of Gaza's electricity supplies.

But let me ask you this, why does Israel have an iron dome? Did you ever ask yourself that?

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Originally Posted by karter

Also General Knowledge: Palestine does not comprise of only Muslims, there's a sizable Christian minority. And they have been very active in the protests and the resistance overall. Just an example here. Enough with the cliched ironic usage of "Religion of Peace" It apparently isn't, everyone got the cheap sarcasm years ago, time to settle down.

So considering Hamas keep firing rockets, what would you have Israel do? Sit there and take it?

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Originally Posted by Payasam

A minority of thugs trash Tesco... "ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF EVIL".

Huh?

I'm actually supportive of Islam, but at the same time I don't buy into this lie that it's a Religion of Peace. It has deep problems.

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Out of interest - not related to this article - but what are your thoughts on Buddhism?

Don't have any.
30-08-2014, 08:40 AM
GommeInc

I can't see a single mention of Islam... Why quote a source and not use it? You just make a very loose connection between the Midlands and Islam when, according to this, it had nothing to do with it. Just a bunch of thugs finding any excuse to cause criminal damage. The source even says the police are looking for those connected to the damage, which shouldn't be hard given how all Tesco Stores have pretty good security and CCTV coverage.

If the EDL attacked Muslim owned property of course it will be in the news - the EDL are brainless thugs who believe in using their fists before any dialogue, because that's how they actively get their message across. People like that deserve to be arrested.
30-08-2014, 10:47 AM
FlyingJesus

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

No, tunnels under the ground into Israel are built by Hamas who use them to take out Israeli military personnel.

It's one of the reasons why Israel have taken military action.

Kinda my point; attack the tunnels if that's what you're claiming to do rather than flattening everyone's homes and businesses with them inside

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The numbers in this conflict (2014) are nowhere near that number, and in any case... of course the casualties in Gaza will be higher for the simple reason that Israel is smart enough to build itself an iron dome defence shield from the constant rocket attacks as well as the fact that Hamas purposely hide their armed supplies in schools and hospitals so that any strike takes out Palestinians... thus allowing for gullible people like yourself to lap it up and give Hamas a PR victory.

You're again assuming for some reason that anti-Zionist is pro-Hamas. This is not the case, and you'd do well to not make up such nonsense. As for "smart enough", congrats to them on being smart enough to be funded and supplied in their illegal land-grab and genocide by the Americans, that definitely makes it all better

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

You are absolutely ridiculous, the fact you side with Hamas and pretend that Hamas are just good guys fighting the nasty IDF is hilariously funny. Who is firing the rockets? Hamas. Where do Hamas get the money for rockets and infastructure? The aid given by other nations which is supposed to be spent on building up Gaza: something Hamas aren't interested in.

Do Hamas give warnings to Israel when they fire thousands of rockets? Not a word of warning.

I don't side with Hamas, I don't think Hamas are "good guys", I don't think that only one side is fighting. Unlike you, I am able to look at facts and read them as they are, not just ignore the ones I don't like because I want to pick a side like a five year old in the playground watching a fight. Twice in your post you've disregarded genuine stats and reports on the complete lack of evidence that human shields are being used (other than by the IDF) and just screamed about how stupid people are - despite the source you give in opposition actually not supporting your claim at all and merely showing more speculation and pretending that journalists are all lying for some reason.

But yes, congratulations to Israel for warning people to leave their homes... and then bombing the shelters once they've gathered everyone together

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And that is exactly what Israel are doing.

Clearly not or the operatives would be dead and the thousands of children would not be. You really are incredibly blind when you zealously pick up a cause the way you do
30-08-2014, 02:40 PM
God

Lets just say I do not support either group for killing eachother. I don't support the killing of innocent children. Yet when your people are stuck in what seems to be an Open Air Prison, and oppressed, I believe your people would want to fight for their freedom. The Conflict in that area was well before Hamas was in control. What the Isrealies are doing to the Palestinians, resembles what the Nazi's did to the Jews.

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