Sinterklaas And Zwarte Piet - Racism?

So the perpetually offended should dictate to the rest of the population what is right and what is wrong? In Uganda, the home of the Ugandan people, who are mainly straight. It is up to them - and they see no problem with tough prison sentences for homosexual acts #danlogic

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Originally Posted by Empired

No sorry, maybe I didn't make my point as clearly as I could have. I meant seeing as this could be seen as offensive to black people, I think it should be them who gets to make the decision on whether or not this is racist.

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So a minority - who we haven't even established are offended anyway - should dictate the traditions of a country to the rest of the population?

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Originally Posted by The Don

So the perpetually offended should dictate to the rest of the population what is right and what is wrong? In Uganda, the home of the Ugandan people, who are mainly straight. It is up to them - and they see no problem with tough prison sentences for homosexual acts #danlogic

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Oh yes, because prison sentences and a Dutch Christmas tradition are exactly the same thing.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

So a minority - who we haven't even established are offended anyway - should dictate the traditions of a country to the rest of the population?

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I'm not saying "black people are offended so it's racist", I'm saying IF they are offended then it SHOULD BE thought of as racist. And yes, in this case they should.

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Originally Posted by Empired

I'm not saying "black people are offended so it's racist", I'm saying IF they are offended then it SHOULD BE thought of as racist. And yes, in this case they should.

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So in other words, you support the criminalisation of causing offence.

I assume you also support censoring pictures of the Prophet too then in western countries because it offends the followers of Islam? Right?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

So a minority - who we haven't even established are offended anyway - should dictate the traditions of a country to the rest of the population?



Oh yes, because prison sentences and a Dutch Christmas tradition are exactly the same thing.

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You're arguing that the moral decision of a majority are infallible and unquestionable. We decide what is a crime from the majority's moral viewpoints. You're an idiot if you can't seen the glaring similarities.

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Originally Posted by The Don

You're arguing that the moral decision of a majority are infallible and unquestionable. We decide what is a crime from the majority's moral viewpoints. You're an idiot if you can't seen the glaring similarities.

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Actually i'm not arguing anything of the sort, i'm arguing that the moral opinions of a small minority shouldn't dictate to everybody else. AKA if you want to black up and take part in this tradition (as most Dutch do) then you should be free to do so, and screw those who claim offence.

The comparison with Uganda has, to mirror your phrase, no logic. Is being offended at all similar to being locked up in a prison? No.

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And the Netherlands is the home of the Dutch people, who are mainly white. It is up to them - and they see no probem say the polls cited.

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You appeared to be arguing that here. Do yourself a favour and read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

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Originally Posted by The Don

You appeared to be arguing that here. Do yourself a favour and read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

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It is up to them if they continue celebrating the tradition, yes. That's a little different from creating any laws, don't you agree?

Or would you criminalise this tradition? It sounds to me like you would, in which case why should a minority dictate to a majority?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

It is up to them if they continue celebrating the tradition, yes. That's a little different from creating any laws, don't you agree?

Or would you criminalise this tradition? It sounds to me like you would, in which case why should a minority dictate to a majority?

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Nope, nowhere have I said that it should be criminalised. That is another one of your poor debating tactics, arguing against false assumptions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization
You previously argued that because the majority of people (is this even the case?) think something, it is automatically correct. I provided an example of that poor logic in work and now you've contrived some argument out of thin air. Do yourself a favour and gloss over the fallacy pages on Wikipedia, perhaps then you might do a little bit better in your debates.

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