The shop and tokens.

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Originally Posted by scottish

I'm not sure if it's just me that sees the amount of tokens given out awfully low? in terms of major events and other stuff.

Firstly, why doesn't competitions give our tokens? They seem to mostly give out weeks/months of VIP, rep and credits.

Do events/HxHD/HxL etc actively give out tokens? if no why not. It's something that would make people actually realize their existence and possibly even start trying to get them.

I've already suggested to @Phil; for the forum to start using tokens for the weekly Posting stats for top 5 users (whether it's implemented or not is another question)

Adding on from that, I think the tokens given out should be substantially increased, I can't give an actual average as the only place I've seen tokens given out was the HxL Karaoke, but based on it being a quite large event (in the sense it's over weeks (i'd imagine I've not actually looked) rather than something that's done with and dusted within an hour), top place got 100 tokens, second 75 tokens and third 50.

That's essentially 20 1 word reply posts worth of tokens (or 10 on happy hour) for winning a somewhat large event. It's stupid low don't you think?

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I completely agree, tokens are really tightly controlled, especially in comparison to VIP. Typically when you win tokens you get a few hundred whereas when you win VIP you win AT LEAST 2 weeks, often a month, which is the equivalent of 2000 tokens.

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Originally Posted by Richie

Categories
Good suggestion, I don't see why this wouldn't be implemented, unless it physically can't be without designing a new plugin.



Items for the pointshop
They definitely need to add more to the shop, I don't think avatar / signature size increases would be good, they're large enough imo.


Credits
Agreed, the shop should be reset monthly rather than have gold bars out of stock for an endless amount of time. If you can't give away at least 10 gold bars in a monthly sale on a continuous basic, remove said item.


Lottery / Raffle
I don't care


Icons
I don't care unless they suggest adding the vanerama builders head as an icon on the forum!! @scottish;


Trading
Why would users need to trade points with one another? It'll just turn into people asking others for tokens so they can have the highest amount of tokens on the forum. It isn't necessary. Even if you argue they won't, the whole point of the token scheme is to give back to those who actively participate in events / competitions / other things that better habbox activity.


Chancing my luck
Doubt it'll ever happen, users should ideally just be able to turn the filter on / off like they can do on habbo. Set it as active by default. All is grand! @Phil;

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why quote me in my suggestion ;l you mug

And trading them would allow them to be used as prizes for competitions and such (unofficially)

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

The HxL Karaoke thing was just for the day, I'm assuming cos of the 12 days of christmas event, it was decided to restrict it to the day, which is slightly weird (or it just wasn't advertised very well). The thing about forum prizes is that it should always be more worthwhile to gain them via posting. Yes, 10 rep is low for competitions. there are many people on the forum who could rep you double, triple that but that's how it should be. Similar thing with tokens, it should be easier to gain them through posts than comps/big events. I think we can tell from the achievements system, staff challenges and maybe the christmas challenges thing (haven't really got any indication of how well that did) that no-one gives a toss about tokens as a prize. I imagine that is largely down to the lack of good stuff in there and also am guessing that's the reason the comps department have so far ignored them.

As for trading, I agree with Richie.

As for credits, I think that was added to the shop when there was a lottery so it should be removed really or a better system put in place.

As for the 18+ forum, Habbox is already too 18+, it needs to be encouraging more younger people not isolating itself even more.

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Not sure, I assumed it was over at least a week as that type of thing is something thats open for people to add their songs, then poll it etc

Yes, no-one gives a toss about tokens as a prize because tokens are useless. There's nothing worthwhile to use them for (excluding VIP, which is easier to obtain via other methods).

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

I completely agree, tokens are really tightly controlled, especially in comparison to VIP. Typically when you win tokens you get a few hundred whereas when you win VIP you win AT LEAST 2 weeks, often a month, which is the equivalent of 2000 tokens.

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Yup, I think we should scrap VIP rewards and reward enough tokens for a fraction of the VIP

For the sake of argument I cba checking shop prices on standard VIP so lets say 3 month = 3000 points, so 1 month = 1000 points

So any event where you'd win 1 week VIP will offer 200 tokens (instead of 250), 2 weeks VIP will offer 400 tokens (instead of 500), kinda thing.

Obviously my estimate is probably well off, so don't pay attention to the actual numbers, just take it as the fraction of the points for VIP.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

It would slow down the forum as you'd have to re-filter up-to 40 posts a page. Given the size of the profanity list I don't think this is advisable.

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I was planning on making a browser extension to automatically red-flag a user if their dimensions were off.

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I like that idea. :D checking avatars and sigs etc is a stressful time

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Originally Posted by e5

I like that idea. :D checking avatars and sigs etc is a stressful time

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Smods rarely check themselves...

I like the ideas though, we need more forum stuff to happen, been rather quiet.

Somewhat helpfully for the demo my signature image is technically limited to 700x150:

http://i.imgur.com/fEP5FG1.jpg

Hey! Sorry I'm only getting around to this now! I've been spending all of my not in work time with my family over the holidays.

Categories:
I'm sure this can be done but is there much point in doing this until there is more stuff in the shop?

Items for Shop:
Agreed that we need more but the only thing of your list that can really be added is the Username Colour. As you all know I'm always open to suggestions for things that we can put into the shop, would love to have it packed of stuff but only so much is possible.

Credits:
Not my forté as Ihave nothing to do with those but I don't think they should be removed. There just needs to be a way to keep them in the shop. Hopefully whatever the new lotto thing is will help with that. Perhaps the Credits could be more expensive too?

Lotto/Raffle:
I was thinking of doing this but manually. If there's actually a way in vb to do that it can be considered. I don't want to take lime lgiht away from the other lotto though (is there even one idk what's going on with that tbqh)

Icons:
Agreed. I'll request some and see what the Graphics Department comes up with.

Trading:
Why?

Amount of Tokens:
I predict the following:

Not enough Tokes given out > Complain > More tokens are given as prizes > People win larger amount of tokens > Buy VIP in the Shop > Too much VIP given out/too easy to get > Complain

:P

18+ Forum:
Nope.

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Originally Posted by Phil

Hey! Sorry I'm only getting around to this now! I've been spending all of my not in work time with my family over the holidays.

Categories:
I'm sure this can be done but is there much point in doing this until there is more stuff in the shop?

Yes, it should have been done when you first released the shop (not you, but whoever was manager at the time)

Items for Shop:
Agreed that we need more but the only thing of your list that can really be added is the Username Colour. As you all know I'm always open to suggestions for things that we can put into the shop, would love to have it packed of stuff but only so much is possible.

Every one of them can be added :P Open a thread with suggestions for a week or so and see what others can think of too, but I see no reason why they all can't be added?

Credits:
Not my forté as Ihave nothing to do with those but I don't think they should be removed. There just needs to be a way to keep them in the shop. Hopefully whatever the new lotto thing is will help with that. Perhaps the Credits could be more expensive too?

No, 5000 tokens is approx 500 threads or 1,000 posts. Making it cost more would just make it stupidly expensive for what it is, it should also take VIP into consideration regarding price (i.e. if VIP can be sold for 30c and it costs 2,333 tokens (3 months = 7000), then 50c being 5,000 tokens is a sensible price imho)

Lotto/Raffle:
I was thinking of doing this but manually. If there's actually a way in vb to do that it can be considered. I don't want to take lime lgiht away from the other lotto though (is there even one idk what's going on with that tbqh)

vBShop has the functionality on the lite version (which you have) judging by their website.

Icons:
Agreed. I'll request some and see what the Graphics Department comes up with.

Please make them transparent too :P

Trading:
Why?

So people/staff can do competitions that dont require GM approval to give away tokens or whatever, and it doesn't end in an Undertaker situation where he gave away like 20k tokens but didn't actually give any away

Amount of Tokens:
I predict the following:

Not enough Tokes given out > Complain > More tokens are given as prizes > People win larger amount of tokens > Buy VIP in the Shop > Too much VIP given out/too easy to get > Complain

:P

The way I see it is VIP is already given out WAY too easily (wasn't there like 30 months of VIP given out per month?) so I don't think the VIP in the shop will ever be an issue compared to the VIP given out by other means.

18+ Forum:
Nope.

Can't say I didn't try

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Originally Posted by Sian

Smods rarely check themselves...

I like the ideas though, we need more forum stuff to happen, been rather quiet.

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Is that speaking from experience? :L no. We have to check every time we get a report from a mod or a post report from a user.

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Originally Posted by scottish

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Categories:
Okay

Items:
Usertitle Colour, Usertitle Change, Avatar/Sig Size limit would:

• Take away from value of VIP/Donator
• They can buy these features by buying VIP/Donator in Shop anyway
• Incredibly difficult to Moderate

Credits/Lotto/Icons:
Okay

Trading:
Okay fair suggestion and fyi he did get them taken away.

Amount of Tokens:
But it would still cause an influx in the amount of VIP being around.

Items:

It wouldn't as it would be larger than VIP limit, could you limit it so only VIP's can purchase something?

Nor would it be difficult to moderate for reasons I've stated in this thread.

Trading
When did he get them taken away? like a month after he done it he still had them and some staff member said he wasn't going to get them removed (possibly Wispur?)

Tokens

Well as I suggest, don't give away VIP give a % of the tokens for the VIP.

So instead of giving away 1 week VIP, give like 500-585 tokens (7000 = 3 month, 2333 per month, 583 per week judging by the current shop prices, so maybe give just a little less like 550)