French security services struggling to deal with 5,000+ radicalised muslims

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Originally Posted by buttons

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he said "5% of muslims hate the west and were radical" not "5% of FRENCH muslims hate the west and are radical"
you all go on about twisting words when you done just that

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Exactly, and if I recall correctly I did state the 5% figure was an example as I knew the real radicalised figures to be higher which I later posted and they then dismissed. In other words, no amount of research will suffice for them and they'll just pick on things like when you give a fucking example.

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Originally Posted by buttons

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he said "5% of muslims hate the west and were radical" not "5% of FRENCH muslims hate the west and are radical"
you all go on about twisting words when you done just that

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I've taken a sample (far more so than a single survey that he has posted thus far). Unless you have data for the entire world in one survey...

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Exactly, and if I recall correctly I did state the 5% figure was an example as I knew the real radicalised figures to be higher which I later posted and they then dismissed. In other words, no amount of research will suffice for them and they'll just pick on things like when you give a **** example.

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The real figures are only higher when you claim that thinking that you should not publish derogatory messages about the Prophet Mohammed is the same as thinking that anyone who does should be slaughtered...

@conservative; There were various chilling statistics you yourself pulled from that research, here they are yet again.

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Originally Posted by Pew Research

More than two in five (46%) feel that being a Muslim in Britain is difficult due to prejudice against Islam.

Almost all Muslims living in Britain feel a loyalty to the country (95%). Just 6% say they feel a disloyalty.

Nine in ten (93%) British Muslims believe that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws.

One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

However, two thirds (68%) say acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet can never be justified while a quarter (24%) disagree.

Muslim women are more likely than men to feel unsafe in Britain.

One in nine (11%) British Muslims feel sympathetic towards people who want to fight against western interests while 85% do not.

Half (49%) believe Muslim clerics preaching that violence against the west can be justified are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion, while 45% disagree.

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And you claim these are reassuring or good figures?

The fact that people can 'sympathise' with the motive to kill somebody for criticising and mocking a religion is scary as hell.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

@conservative; There were various chilling statistics you yourself pulled from that research, here they are yet again.



And you claim these are reassuring or good figures?

The fact that people can 'sympathise' with the motive to kill somebody for criticising and mocking a religion is scary as hell.

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Motives and acts are very different things. For example; imagine you like football. I also like football. You go and kill someone and say 'its because he insulted football'. I then say; 'I don't think you should insult football'. I clearly never said he deserved to be killed.

"Western interests" - what even is that :rolleyes:

"can be justified" - let's have another example. You go and bomb my country for no reason. I then say "we should fight back". I would argue violence, in that instance, can be justified.

The issue with your statistics is that the statements that go with them are so ridiculously vague that they could mean anything...

This is just one of the poll questions and he's still making excuses for a series clear cut answers to clear cut questions.

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Originally Posted by Pew Research

However, two thirds (68%) say acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet can never be justified while a quarter (24%) disagree.

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Not only that but remember that the pollster is assuming the people answering the questions are all telling the truth.... Frightening but not as scary as his denial.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

This is just one of the poll questions and he's still making excuses for a series clear cut answers to clear cut questions.



Not only that but remember that the pollster is assuming the people answering the questions are all telling the truth.... Frightening but not as scary as his denial.

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Go and ask Catholics in Rome the same question, but relate it to Jesus and come back to me.

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Originally Posted by conservative

Go and ask Catholics in Rome the same question, but relate it to Jesus and come back to me.

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Yes I am sure the French security services are having to watch 5,000+ Roman Catholics right now. How absurd you sound right now.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Yes I am sure the French security services are having to watch 5,000+ Roman Catholics right now. How absurd you sound right now.

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Oh did the French Intelligence services do surveys on the Muslims then? Oh, wait, no.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Yes I am sure the French security services are having to watch 5,000+ Roman Catholics right now. How absurd you sound right now.

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Considering the history of Catholic priests as criminals and the fact that the Vatican has the highest crime rate in the world, perhaps they should, after all according to you a tiny minority of cases means that the entire religion is to blame https://media.giphy.com/media/CXcZMAbkAQbF6/giphy.gif

When we've reached the point where my opponents are seemingly seriously arguing that Vatican priests should be monitored by French security services in their thousands in the same way that maniac jihadists in France are, I think that's a good time to let the debate stand and let the spectators make their judgement. Thank you. :)