oof. reminds me of the scottish referendum tbh. everyone was convinced it was going to be a yes but goes to show that being the loudest doesn't mean you're the voice for everyone.
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oof. reminds me of the scottish referendum tbh. everyone was convinced it was going to be a yes but goes to show that being the loudest doesn't mean you're the voice for everyone.
looks like indy ref 2 might actually happen then ;)
Yeah basically people see a load of loudmouths on Facebook Twitter etc and assume that's the majority voice because it's what gets seen/heard the most. Not saying it's RIGHT that people go out and just vote the same way they always have without checking what's going on but every single time social media commentary underestimates the number of people who don't constantly post online about politics and who have very different views.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttons
Says a lot that two of the least popular (or at least most divisive) PMs in history have both beaten Corbyn in what should have been landslides for him and his party. Utterly useless opposition leadership has been the decider of the last few years, not necessarily competent govt leadership
No re-running referendums with a Conservative and Unionist government.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottish
I have always said that Brexit makes Scottish independence less likely. I still stand by that and I think the SNP know it deep down.
I'm gutted to be honest. Our poor schools (and the countries children) have been shafted once again. I worry so much for the future of education for this country.
I agree, I think this proves that actually the public don't like it when political parties make it their number 1 agenda to go against a vote the country made..Quote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
Although I hugely respect that the SNP suspended one of their candidates here in Fife for his anti-semitism remarks. Corbyn failed to do that in his own party and I except Johnson would have too.
Woops, just had a little look and it appears labour did have to suspend some of their party, though that was Scottish Labour
probably, but Sturgeon stated several times she wants another referendum in 2020 and given SNP are expected to take back most of Scotlands seats then that'll probably boost her ego and think that the country at backing her indyref2 wishes
I don't see how Brexit makes it less likely though as majority of Scotland were anti brexit?
Not that I care either way as I didn't vote in any referendum or today :P
@scottish;
Brexit, once it actually happens within weeks now, makes independence a lot more complicated and a lot less attractive.
It means, for Scotland, "independence" becomes adoption of the Euro, full integration, tariffs with the UK.
As far as I'm aware, SNP need WestMinister to agree to a referendum as it's a constitutional matter. There's a complicated process to go through to do this, hence it was supposed to be a once in a lifetime opportunity that she was given. She can't just hold one every few years until she gets the result she wants and I highly doubt she would get a bill passed as quickly as 2020.
For a taste of what is to come tonight (apparently)...
Blyth Valley, a former mining constituency in Northumberland, has just turned blue.
Blyth Valley - then called Morpeth - has been Labour since 1935. That's 84 years of Labour holding the seat over.
This is a truly realigning election.Two referendums—Scotland in 2014 and Brexit in 2016—have severed the link between Labour and its traditional heartlands, Scotland and industrial England
— James Forsyth (@JGForsyth) December 12, 2019