Do you stand up for gays and lesbians?

How do I know they make a big deal out of it? I only have to read a few threads in this Forum, "OMG how do I come out", "I came out like this, what do you think of that", "I came out, did I do the right thing" are the kind of threads posted every day. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it I am just saying that Forums usually reflect society and if this is the behaviour then I'm not suprised people's reactions are "huge".

BTW I don't mind debating things with people but if all your posts are going to be as rude as that then I suggest not debating at all until you've grown up and learned to accept other people may have different views to you.

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Originally Posted by lethal

that's utter crap. how the HELL would you know? it takes a hell of a lot of courage to come out to friends & family, somthing you OBVIOSLY don't know anything about. a lot of people don't want to make a huge thing out of it, but it's others reactions that make it a huge thing? jesus christ..

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Originally Posted by Seacat

How do I know they make a big deal out of it? I only have to read a few threads in this Forum, "OMG how do I come out", "I came out like this, what do you think of that", "I came out, did I do the right thing" are the kind of threads posted every day. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it I am just saying that Forums usually reflect society and if this is the behaviour then I'm not suprised people's reactions are "huge".

BTW I don't mind debating things with people but if all your posts are going to be as rude as that then I suggest not debating at all until you've grown up and learned to accept other people may have different views to you.

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lol i was hardly being rude. people only post for help because they havn't got the first clue about what to do. and others post about when they've came out because they see it as a big achievement for them. and yeah i do know you don't have a clue because it's quite obvious your straight, so you wouldn't have the slightest idea about how hard it is would you? :s

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Originally Posted by Seacat

How do I know they make a big deal out of it? I only have to read a few threads in this Forum, "OMG how do I come out", "I came out like this, what do you think of that", "I came out, did I do the right thing" are the kind of threads posted every day. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it I am just saying that Forums usually reflect society and if this is the behaviour then I'm not suprised people's reactions are "huge".

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They do it like that on a Forum because it is actually very hard to gather the confidence to come out in real life. The fact is that on a Forum if people don't accept you, you can just turn off the computer or close your browser and that's that. In real life it's a lot harder and so people seek reassurance on Forums etc.

I Feel It's Their Choice. If That's How They want To Be, Then Let Them Be It. People Just Make Fun Of Them because They're Different!

No I wouldn't so I am quite biased. But my point is that if the gay and lesbian people themselves find it hard to come out then they must be ashamed or something? Obviously there is something that stops them and if they saw it normal themselves then they'd just do it and not care what others think, and then over time people in society would also accept it. That's kinda starting to happen now, especially with gay marriages been legalized e.t.c.

Take abortion for example... In the 1950s abortion was unheard of and society would exclude anyone who even thought of one. Then the Abortion Act 1967 was introduced and now when someone says they're having an abortion it's "fine, good luck". That'll probably happen with been gay now this new law has been passed where gay people can marry. But it's not going to happen until gay people themselves see it as normal and don't make such a big thing of coming out or defending gay people at every opportunity.

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Originally Posted by Seacat

No I wouldn't so I am quite biased. But my point is that if the gay and lesbian people themselves find it hard to come out then they must be ashamed or something?

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You will find that the majority of gay/lesbian and bisexual individuals are scared of the reaction they may receive. I know you say they shouldn't be ashamed, but it's still very hard and you wouldn't know that because you are straight.

Well until they accept their sexuality most people won't either :) Me not included because I don't really care what sexuality people are but I wouldn't ever go out of my way to defend them.

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Originally Posted by Seacat

How do I know they make a big deal out of it? I only have to read a few threads in this Forum, "OMG how do I come out", "I came out like this, what do you think of that", "I came out, did I do the right thing" are the kind of threads posted every day. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it I am just saying that Forums usually reflect society and if this is the behaviour then I'm not suprised people's reactions are "huge".

BTW I don't mind debating things with people but if all your posts are going to be as rude as that then I suggest not debating at all until you've grown up and learned to accept other people may have different views to you.

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For the first time (IN HISTORY... IT'S GONNA START RAINING MEN) i agree with him, and if something reflects society it's called a "microcosm" ;)

Urm i don't defend them, as i don't see the point on being biased simply because there's a few haters. For everything people CAN stand for there will always be haters and cynics, and on the other hand defenders and supporters?

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Originally Posted by Seacat

Well until they accept their sexuality most people won't either :) Me not included because I don't really care what sexuality people are but I wouldn't ever go out of my way to defend them.

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Yes I see what you mean. In my opinion (mainly because in my experience it works) you should just do it, and ignore the often negative reverberations that result from it. Eventually it dies down and no one really cares.
You must appreciate the fact it is difficult however, you would know if you were put in that situation :P.

lmao I bet you only agreed with me so that you could use that word :P

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Originally Posted by Casanova

For the first time (IN HISTORY... IT'S GONNA START RAINING MEN) i agree with him, and if something reflects society it's called a "microcosm" ;)

Urm i don't defend them, as i don't see the point on being biased simply because there's a few haters. For everything people CAN stand for there will always be haters and cynics, and on the other hand defenders and supporters?

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No, i seriously dislike overly passionate people who get excited and worked up over nothing... but then again i get worked up over nothing alot so i guess i hate myself in a way.

well alright, you really confused me but alrighty then. :P

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Originally Posted by Seacat

How do I know they make a big deal out of it? I only have to read a few threads in this Forum, "OMG how do I come out", "I came out like this, what do you think of that", "I came out, did I do the right thing" are the kind of threads posted every day. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it I am just saying that Forums usually reflect society and if this is the behaviour then I'm not suprised people's reactions are "huge".

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Seacat you're being quite narrow minded.. Coming out is a very scary ordeal for a gay person to go through. You hear horror stories everywhere. "Mum threw me out" "Dad disowned me" etc etc. It's only natural that people will want to share their experiences or seek advice from people who have been through it alreadyy. I understand where you're coming from but unless you've felt the pressure that a closetted gay person has felt, then you're not in a fit position to be saying that we make a big deal over nothing. Lol

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Originally Posted by Staincast

Seacat you're being quite narrow minded.. Coming out is a very scary ordeal for a gay person to go through. You hear horror stories everywhere. "Mum threw me out" "Dad disowned me" etc etc. It's only natural that people will want to share their experiences or seek advice from people who have been through it alreadyy. I understand where you're coming from but unless you've felt the pressure that a closetted gay person has felt, then you're not in a fit position to be saying that we make a big deal over nothing. Lol

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As seacat has said, it reflects society, since socity is not yet fully acceptant of homosexuals, you get the scare storys.
But i do agree with him, gay people make a very big deal about comeing out? What do i base this on? the fact that "comeing out exists" i personly dont see why a gay person would ever feel the need to "come out" if they truely belived it was normal and acceptable themselves. You dont hear storys of straight people telling there friends and family they are straight do you? Why? most would say because that is seen as normal. But if thats true the homosexual community as a whole must thing that they are abnormal in order to feel a need to come out.
I feel the whole issue will end up like feminism has, aka at first (like with homosexualy at the moment) people feel the need to express themslves, test the new freedom, these people are the ones who have been somewhat oppressed, as time goes on, people wont have exspernced this opression, and the need will cease, like feminism, you will end up with the small minaorty who feel the need to blow everything related out of proportion, and then the rest of people who just get on with it "/

Personly i dont see sexually as such a big issue, i would think its strange if someone needed to specifically tell me they were straight or if they were gay. I mean, why would i really need to know? The whole need to come out, is one things thats always seemed pretty strange to me.

no, i don't stand up for them.

i don't stand up for them ... but i treat people who are being horrible / calling names etc to people who are gay/lesbian the same as i do racists , so i don't see it as sticking up

don't get me wrong here, i'm not saying that we should treat them any differently, all i'm saying is if they are getting talked nasty about just because of there sexuality we should stick up for them. What i really want to know is would u step in if they're getting talked nasty about just because of there sexuality?

I wouldn't stand up for them just because.
There'd have to be a reason.
Nothing against them or anything.
Just if it was bad.
Not just someone's opinion.

i think i get wat your saying, but then again i don't really understand much, cause i'm always confused! lol

I would if given the chance.

Look at all the people that have Yes and i would if given the chance, those are my kind of people! :P

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

If a lesbian gets offended by the word "lesbo" it's no worse than me getting offended by someone calling me short. Gays and lesbians have rights, yes, but just because someone is part of a "minority group", that doesn't give them extra rights.

Do you get annoyed like this whenever anyone says anything that could somehow be offensive to someone? If you do you're a very boring person.

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speak for yourself you obviously havent met many muslims in Canada. They protested our christmas tree being up in city hall, so it was taking down :) nice group of people :)

As for Gays, People in my law class always attempt to bring me down if I detearilize gays. However these people are unintelligent and are without able excuses in a catholic school.

Max

cba reading it all but yeah..

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Originally Posted by MusicPalace

well i know i did the right thing, so i'm happy. And i guess i'm mean now too cuz anyone that would not stick up for gays or lesbians is most likely homophobic and homophobics are sick people that should all rot in hell. (I'm usually not mean like that, and that probably wasn't mean anyway.)

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What about heterophobics, a lot of gay people are hostile towards straight people =/

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Originally Posted by king_maxx

speak for yourself you obviously havent met many muslims in Canada. They protested our christmas tree being up in city hall, so it was taking down :) nice group of people :)

As for Gays, People in my law class always attempt to bring me down if I detearilize gays. However these people are unintelligent and are without able excuses in a catholic school.

Max

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Sorry what I meant was that they shouldn't have extra rights. Minorities do for some reason have more protection than anyone else, and that's not right. White males who are either Christian, agnostic or atheist seemingly have no rights any more.

yeah i do. but if anyone says something nasty about someone i'd also shout at them for doing so.

Like heather she picks on this girl called patricia who is lesbian and stuff and she was like "oh i wish lesbians would all die" and i'm like "heather theres nothing wrong with lesbians" and she's like "AMG THEY SCARE ME!!"

w.e

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Originally Posted by MusicPalace

well i know i did the right thing, so i'm happy. And i guess i'm mean now too cuz anyone that would not stick up for gays or lesbians is most likely homophobic and homophobics are sick people that should all rot in hell. (I'm usually not mean like that, and that probably wasn't mean anyway.)

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Somebody who doesnt stick up for a gay is homophobic? Get a grip dude.
I dont know many gay people but from what ive encountered i dont like much.
But doing what those people did but that thourght into my head.

Homophobia isn't a "sick and horrible" thing anyway, it's a genuine phobia just like any other. Sufferers just react to it differently than we do with other phobias because it's a state of being rather than an actual thing.

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Originally Posted by Jªmie

Somebody who doesnt stick up for a gay is homophobic? Get a grip dude.
I dont know many gay people but from what ive encountered i dont like much.
But doing what those people did but that thourght into my head.

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said MOST LIKELY.

as im bisexual i do.

theres a few people who have comments about a guy called carl in my year. hes totally camp, not sure if he is gay or not though. but its nothing to do with anyone but him right?

when people try having a go and stuff i often start my mouth in his defence.

good thats what you should do! +rep

I Would Stand Up For Them If They Needed It...

Yay for you! I love all the nice people! I Was beggining to think there wasn't any left lol!

I had an argument with one of my male friends a while back now because he said that lesbians were amazing but gays were disgusting.He's a ***.

People have different beliefs .... it makes us individuals! This may be cultural or spiritual or religion, there are hundreds to name, having your own beliefs does not make you a ***, as long as you do not try and enforce them on other people, you have to accept other people how they are, and respect they have their own beliefs!

Anyway this thread is pointless ... it should not be directed towards defending somebody because of their sexual orientation, most gays and lesbians do not want special treatment, should it not be about what is right and wrong? You should defend what is right, as long as it is not your personal view that makes it right! Discrimination in any context is wrong, live and let live!

I believe I've already said it before in this thread, but why do gays need specific protection? They aren't any less able to stand up for themselves than anyone else.

I would stand up for gays and lesbians. I would have rather died in the London Bombings than those people in the club!

I would stand up for anyone really, but especially Gays and Lesbians because it's not right to treat them any differently. They're humans with rights.

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I've recently moved in with my Nan in Blackpool. My parents say it wont be long before my Nan throws me out with the druggies, p*ss heads, prostitutes, and gay freaks. So I turn around and shout at them saying that there's nothing wrong with gays and lesbians, they just rather take life in a different way. Okay, the drunks and drug-takers along with the prostitutes have the choice not to, but Gays and Lesbians just choose that they prefer their own sex to the opposite. It's like being a cat person or a dog person. You like one or the other. It's their choice, they chose, they're still human, they have rights... So an argument breaks out, they accuse me of being Gay so I go upstaris, because I'm not ready to admit I am Gay ..

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I know loads of Gays, Just bacause they are Gay, mostly Born Gay, not there choice Why should you be nasty to them? They still have feelings like every single person.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Homophobia isn't a "sick and horrible" thing anyway, it's a genuine phobia just like any other. Sufferers just react to it differently than we do with other phobias because it's a state of being rather than an actual thing.

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Ummm you see homophobia is not a state of feeling it is something that people live with, such as myself. It's not like I can stop being homophobic nor would I ever want to. Promoting homosexuality would be a sin and I attempt to not sin.

What does the term "Flying Jesus" mean anyways to you?

I try to. My best friend is kind of a homophobe even though she says she isn't and she just "disagrees with their lifestyle." Yesterday I was looking at one of my gay friends pictures on myspace and the girls he came with was telling my best friend to look at one of his picture captions, and even though the caption had nothing to do with being gay, she says "oh, he's gay" like it's supposed to drive everyone away from him. I get kind of tired of it but there's no point in even trying to argue with her cause she thinks she's right.