**** :/ hxf is hosted in the UK or USA which means posting links to cracks etc is illegal :/Quote:
Originally Posted by StefanCampbell
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**** :/ hxf is hosted in the UK or USA which means posting links to cracks etc is illegal :/Quote:
Originally Posted by StefanCampbell
You can just find them on Google anyway. There's no harm in them being here.
@ABOVE; THANK GOD SOMEONE ACTUALLY USES COMMON SENCE ..
Insulting each other wont do anything, so just keep it to a nice discussion. ;)
I find no harm in the thread linking to crack and keygen downloads - however I closed the thread due to offtopic posts (arguing about age and banks or something) and there were arguments such as this which was debating if it's alright to post keygens etc.
more people within common sence!! :rolleyes:
Neither did TV links.Quote:
Originally Posted by StefanCampbell
Sue google then , They allow feeds from sites advertising cracks/illegal content to be shown when they can easily be blocked/filtered from the results but they decide not to get involved with what people do just like HxF , it's not like we have a section for it.
Also why would they care about a small minor forum when there are massive sites who dedicate them self to warez :rolleyes:.
Oh for god sake, use a bit of general knowledge and think what google is compared to a community forum, site that is actually letting them happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by --ss--
Seriously, this argument went on in 100's of forums world wide when TV links got closed down.
This forum will get closed if they get cought, the datacenter will without any hesitation close this server off and report the account holdsa details to the police.
You really think the DC are willing to risk there own million pound business for a habbo hotel fansite?
The rules since changed. We no longer infraction members for accusing/naming each other of ripping unless it is in a rude or abusive way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotteh
As I've said the files are not on Habbox's server therefore it is unlikely it would cause a problem. If indeed it did cause any problem I'm sure Habbox would happily remove the content linking to keygens, serials etc but really the people who are likely to get in trouble are those who host the files rather than sites linking to them, it is unlikely that Habbox would get in trouble simply for linking to the content and I expect if the data center had a problem with it or it was necessary to remove such links it could be resolved without any hassle. :)
It depends I guess. Strict laws would probably stand.
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong Jayimbo!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by opensourcehost
They are providing ACTIVE links, and encourging in breaking the law.
Hence TV links
As I've said it is a community site, if the data center had a problem with members linking each other to illegal content them I'm sure they would have said and Habbox would have avoided allowing members to do this. Additionally there are many thousands if not millions of other sites that will contain some form of link to copyrighted material either on purpose or by accident and unless the linking of illegal cracks/keygens became so large that the site had to stamp down on it I don't see it causing any problem. Members are posting freely and it is hard for Habbox to ensure 100% of copyrighted material links are removed and I doubt someone would take direct legal action against Habbox for this. I expect something like this if it began to cause a problem could be sorted out without legal action and additionally it doesn't appear to have caused a problem so far anyway and if it had or will I would have expected the rules to have indicated that doing this is in breach of them. :) There are too many sites hosting this material as it is that have not be taken action against, really action is only taken against the big ones and they aim to clamp down on sites hosting the content rather than linking and I'm sure as I've said that any content that the site was told it needed to removed could be removed easily. I've hosted sites before and had the data center request the removal of illegal content on sites rather than direct legal action which was always done swiftly when requested so really I don't see that causing a huge problem for Habbox either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarith
Jay what your saying is, if datacenter has a problem with habbox taking part in illegal stuff, they'd contact you and ask you to remove it, instead of reporting it to the police or whatever?
Thats like
"Oh hi your a 12 year old with 5kg of hash in your pocket, let me see it and you can be on your way, you may have broke the law but you removed the thing on your breaking the law so ur alright now"
No I'm saying if members are posting links to illegal stuff then the datacenter would warn Habbox it is important that it is removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotteh
Habbox isn't "taking part" in illegal activities however members are linking to illegal content and not Habbox itself. The forum would probably be asked to remove the posts made by members rather than the site being taken offline. If the illegal content was on the main page of www.habbox.com for example then yes this would be risky for Habbox however members posting content in this way is hard to filter and isn't really Habbox's job. If something like that became a problem then it would probably just be requested to be removed and the member to be banned but again that is unlikely. I've seen friends who have ran hosting companies and have helped them before and really if a members account has illegal content on it 9/10 the data center would send a simple email warning the host that it needs to remove the content. Legal action is normally only taken in the event that the person who owns the site refuses to remove the illegal content. It would be in the best interest for all parties to sort such and issue outside of court if it even got to that stage but as I've said there are many thousands of sites across the internet hosting much more illegal content whereas a few threads on Habbox link to some content? I think I know where the priority is for stopping people breaking copyright laws and I also think that if this was a problem the general management would have put a rule in place already so really it doesn't appear to be causing an issue?
This is just my opinion on the matter of course, I may be wrong but this is what I think anyway.
Habbox is allowing the members to, so to an extent it is taking part, otherwise you'd tell us not to, then it wouldnt be as much of your problem as you've got something in place to prevent us from doing it, however there isnt and frankly you couldnt care less if we posted it.
Well it really is partly the members problem for posting it as they are breaking the law and also I don't expect any action would be taken against the site anyway and at the most the site would just be requested to remove the content that links to the illegal site. Really the sites that are breaking the law are the ones that are targeted to be shut down and they shouldn't be there to link to in the first place really. Habbox isn't really doing anything wrong and if it was I'm sure the site management would have or will be informed and appropraite changes would be made but until then I doubt it will be made against the rules to post this sort of content. Really at the end of the day it is a management decision on if this is or isn't against the rules and I'm sure that if there is a problem or a problem develops the management would ban posting of this sort of content. Again this is my opinion and I may be wrong, it is just how I feel about the matter. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotteh
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Originally Posted by Scotteh
You, and this thread have been owned. :).
What ever way you look at it theres goods and bads, but it IS allowed, which was the arguement in the first place, guess you lost. :)
We'll report Habbox Forum to the datacenter and let them sort it out then shall we.
Sulake will also be given a link to this thread. Should be interesting as well as authorities to this thread.
Habbox are allowing there members to break the law, which states you are not allowed to post links to warez, pirate software's or what ever you want to call it. End of the day, these links are stored on habbox, stored in the database.
Obviously there are a hell of a lot of what you can and can't do regarding the matter, but to put it simple;
Habbox are breaking the law.
---MAD--- says this is Sierks final word and it should be allowed,I have PM'd Sierk with links to his host etc with proof they disallow it, lets see what he says...
I've sent an email to Sulake, trying to trace down the datacenter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Davetaylor
It really is pathetic that MAD or who ever is in charge are allowing warez on a teenage community forum built for Habbo.
The forum needs to sort out priorities.
I'd get infractioned for calling someone a ***** but I can go around posting illegal downloads :)
It's ran by bad management.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kardan
The datacenter was simple to find, locate the IP of this site or use dnscoop.com and find the hoster via the NSQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarith
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Originally Posted by opensourcehost
Its not hard Jay - I used to do it all the time :)
i hope habboxforum gets closed down
It doesn't ensure it will always be 100% filtered though. It is at the end of the day a general management decision and really it isn't easy to ensure there is absolutely no links to illegal content on the site as obviously posts will be missed etc or some links may not be labeled as illegal content but they are and not every link posted on the forum is checked so I can't imagine the forum could ever be 100% clean of it. Anyway it isn't my decision but I don't expect that it is something that would get the site in big trouble as it is partly the member in questions problem for posting it and the site which is hosting it also. Additionally there isn't even lots of illegal content on the site anyway - it isn't like the sole purpose of the site is to share illegal content, it just isn't directly against the forum rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
Agreed it it would be impossible to do it 100% that's why it's in the T&Cs butQuote:
Originally Posted by opensourcehost
I just feel that the forum doesn't look good allowing this particuarly as it didn't for years and it does risk action or shut down I believe.
You lot are taking 4 links posted WAY to serious.. lmao irl, when theres warez and torrent search engines posting links to hundreds of thousands of links, your pathetic.
Like the authorities are going to be bothered about a little nooby habbo fansite posting a few links to a few illegal downloads which no-one downloaded.
Well really at the end of the day that is a management decision. I don't think that the forum would be shut down straight off because of a breach of copyright however it probably is a safer option just to stop members from posting it - I agree. Despite this I'm sure there is nothing to worry about as if the data center have an issue with the content posted on the forum they will or would have contact(ed) sierk and I'm sure he'd be able to sort it out. :) It is a decision for sierk and the general management to make at the end of the day really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
I think you will find they take it very seriously indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by StefanCampbell
I am very certain if anyone is caught on Habbox posting keygens, cracks or any copyrighted/illegal documents and codes, Habbox will take the blame because they are hosting and endorsing it.
I find it concerning that some members seem as if they would like to see Habbox being shut down? I don't see why anyone who uses the forum would want this. Anyway I'm sure that sierk and the management will sort this out if it becomes a problem, I don't see serious action being taken unless the site was to ignore warnings regarding the content though. I suppose it is just my opinion anyway. :)
No copyrighted material is hosted on the server directly. You can be sure of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
i don't want hxf to be shut up, but i want the rules to be sensible, cause its pretty stupid if you can break the law, but you cant swear? Rules like that are stupid.
It's in the database, but the endorsing bit is just as bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by opensourcehost
I was and it took me 3 weeks to get back up when I proved it was a mistake that's why I am saying this. It is not easy to get your site/forum back.Quote:
Originally Posted by opensourcehost
:) Fair enough but it is a management decision at the end of the day, not mine or yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotteh
Well there is no endorsing as it isn't encouraged at all and also the actual copyrighted content is not hosted anywhere on the forum or in the database. Anything that was copyright would be externally hyper linked from the forum. The person hosting the copyrighted/illegal material is certainly breaking the law however Habbox is neither encouraging it or hosting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
I can see what you mean but again I'm sure if there was a problem sierk would have taken action or if there is, I'm sure he will. :)
I'm sure that back ups are kept and that if the forum had to remove the content and move to another data center it would and it could be done without large amounts of hassle. As long as the site has its content stored somewhere offline and has the fund to move I wouldn't think the site would have a problem however I doubt it would ever get to that stage anyway as the issue would probably be able to be removed without shutting the site down if there was an issue to start with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
haha, GommeInc thats a good point...Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
Directly linking is still bad as far as some companies see it and you're not exactly discouraging it.
Well there isn't large amounts of it on the forum as far as I can see and it could be removed easily enough if that is what was required however monitoring it couldn't be 100% accurate. Also if it was a risk to the forum I'm sure that the management would ensure there was no direct linking to the forum itself. Again this is a management decision and I'm sure if there is a problem this could be resolved. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
You're really, really silly. You're trying to get something removed which is pointless. Keygens and cracks HELP people do what they need to do, and your example of swearing - what use is that?
Stop trying to argue something that doesn't need to be.