and something like a tired is much easier to see and avoid.
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and something like a tired is much easier to see and avoid.
Plus it's made of rubber.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue
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say that to the lad in gp2 that got killed last week cause a tyre hit his head when he was driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by adammm
think before you speak.
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Read my other posts before you 'speak'.
It doesn't happen that often. Before yesterday and last week did you hear of another incident like this? No. Everything in F1 is fine as it is apart from KERS. Nothing needs to be changed. These incidents are just anomalies, accidents.
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I read your posts Mr.Attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by adammm
You do know that they are getting rid of pit stop fuelling next year?
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I didn't say it's impossible to miss. I just said easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWolf
R E A D.Quote:
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as it is. Not next year. Not in 10 years time. Now. As it is now.Quote:
Everything in F1 is fine as it is
I do believe you are a troll.
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If i was a troll I wouldn't be raising valid points, I'd just be posting to annoy you, but I'm actually providing a valid discussion.
I was trying to move away from the argument that was going to happen, by talking about changes that are being made next year, but you seem to want to persist in an argumentative manor.
I see.
I understand that "Mr.Attitude" is a valid point and one that can raise discussion and not argument. I'm sorry, I was wrong.
adamm, it is a well known fact that with head injuries that it is quite common for people to appear well in the first few hours and be able to function normally. This is why people are always observed for 24 hours in hospital for 24 hours after. The brain swells after injury and there can also be bleeding into the brain which can kill a person quite easily and does very often. I understand that he is now serious but stable but he will be sedated for the next 48 hours so that hopefully nothing worse happens.Quote:
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Forumla 2. Aparently he has improved sop thats good news. Wishing him a speedy recoveryQuote:
Originally Posted by TheWolf
Get well soon Felipe, I have shedloads of respect for him after he was so dignified in defeat last season and he certainly didn't deserve this! (Not that anyone does, but yknow)
To be honest, his racing days are over. I've seen motogp riders lose careers because of collar bone flicks. If he ever races in F1 again then i'll eat my words, but I stand with my opinion for now.
He will pull through, he'll have the best treatment going.
Depends on the extent of his injuries. As far as we've heard he has a skull fracture, concussion and a large cut near his eye. People recover fully from concussion, so we can exclude that. Skull fractures also don't adversely affect a person once fully healed provided it didn't damage their brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by iAdam
For me it comes down to the cut above his eye and how severe that is. If his eyesight has been affected to any real extent it could affect his career, but even then bourdais raced with glasses so it might not be that bad.
I have full confidence in modern medicine to help him make a full recovery :)
Such a shame to be honest. What a nasty accident after watching it live on Saturday. Hope he recovers well! Ferrari did pretty well today getting 2nd If I remember correctly? Wish him and his family all the best.
It's not just physical damage, Physcological too, if you slip off a corner on a bike, you will never take that corner as fast as you can again, same goes for F1, if you have an accident your confidence is going to take a huge knock.
Yeah I do agree with you a little. We will just have to wait and see. :DQuote:
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By nature he is a strong motivated person, I think this accident will have shaken him a lot, but I think he will race again next season, but one thing is for sure he won't race again this season.
Sorry to be Dr.Bad News to everyone saying "he'll be fine" but it's looking pritty serious. Ferrari are saying he's stable but they were bound to play it down. Had 2 operations already I think, there's still a chance he could die. Wouldn't be surprised myself.
Even if he pulls through, it'll be a while before he's back out on the track racing again.
yeah i see where you're coming from haz, they're hardly going to fuel all the hype.
i hope he does pull through anyway.
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I'll tell you now he will probably not be racing next season after this.
Hope he gets better
Yeah i see your point but it depends on the person. I'll use the example of Alex Zanardi, he lost both his legs in a serious ChampCar accident at a track in 2001. When he'd recovered and had prosthetic limbs fitted and had his car modified accordingly so he could race it, he went back to the track and competed in a race at that track (albeit only the last 13 laps). According to wikipedia if he had paticipated in qualifying that weekend he'd have qualified 5th which isn't all that bad.Quote:
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Tbh I hope to god you're wrong, the guy deserves to win at least one world championship :(
I think his replacement will be Luca Bodeaur (or however you spell it) but it hasn't been announced yet. It was starting to look like Ferrari might challenge to hold on to 3rd place but without Felipe it seems unlikely.
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Ferrari chairman Luca di Montezemolo has said he is optimistic about Felipe Massa’s condition after visiting the team’s injured driver in Budapest on Monday. Massa remains stable in hospital following surgery on skull fractures he sustained in his qualifying accident at the Hungaroring on Saturday.
"I'm confident and optimistic about Felipe's capacity to recover, also because he has excellent medical care and I want to thank the staff at the AEK hospital for the work they're doing,” said di Montezemolo after meeting with doctors, as well as Massa’s wife and parents.
"It was a serious and incredible accident, but thank God this is a different situation compared to 1976 when I went to see Niki Lauda after the accident at the Nurburgring,” added. “We have to wait, but the signs are encouraging."
Massa was scanned again on Monday morning without problem and hospital officials have reported he is now able to move his hands and legs. The extent of reported injury to his left eye has not yet been confirmed.
"Our priority is the recovery of Felipe as a man,” continued di Montezemolo. “He has been with us for a long time and he is part of the family and not just of the team... We're all waiting for him at Ferrari and I'm convinced that we'll see him again in one of our single-seaters and that he will be again on top."
Although it looks almost certain Massa will not be racing at the next round of the championship in Valencia next month, di Montezemolo said the team would not be rushing into selecting a stand-in driver.
“I'm heading back to Maranello with (team principal Stefano) Domenicali, who will make suggestions how to substitute the Brazilian driver until he returns, which I hope will be very soon. We'll make a decision when the time is right, considering that there's a break of a month now."
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/7/9690.html
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...456220,00.html
Doesn't sound good :(Quote:
Felipe Massa's Formula One career appears to be hanging in the balance following confirmation he has suffered some damage to his left eye.
Massa is currently in intensive care at the AEK military hospital in Budapest after suffering a skull fracture following a freak accident on Saturday during qualifying for the Hungarian Grand Prix.
Although the 28-year-old, still in a medically-induced coma, has shown signs of improvement after undergoing emergency surgery, it has now emerged Massa may have sustained eye problems.
If that is the case, and the Brazilian is unable to see properly in the future, it will mean his days in motor racing are over.
Professor Robert Veres said: "He has suffered some damage to the eye.
"We don't know if he'll be able to race again.
"I don't know (if he can return). It's too early to say about his future.
"We don't know the extent of the damage. Without an operation it's very hard to evaluate its function."
Veres also confirmed on Monday afternoon Massa remained sedated "to protect his brain", which has apparently experienced some swelling, but he is out of serious danger.
Meanwhile, Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo visited Massa in hospital on Monday and insisted no decisions would be taken over the Italian marque's direction for the rest of the season until the driver's situation was clarified.
"Our first priority is Felipe's recovery, Felipe's progress and so on," he said.
"Felipe's been an important member of the Ferrari family for many years, since he arrived as a kid, so we all hope he can come back soon."
Di Montezemlo added: "(Team principal Stefano) Domenicali has to think and make good proposals for the future.
"We don't want to wait too long for Felipe, but our first priority now is to find out about Felipe, and only at that moment will we take a decision."
If he has damaged his eye then it's game over for his racing days.
Dosent look good, but i am still hopefull about seeing him next year in a ferrari
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two very different accounts. the first sounds promising, the second doesnt... hope he recovers well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor-Alex
the first one says hes moving his hands and feet, the second says they still hav him sedated?
First one is the official Formula One website. They are either trying to play it down, or PlanetF1 (second) is making way too much of it. Like Di Motezemlo said, we first have to found out about his condition.
Ferrari dedicate podium to Felipe reports Sky Sports.
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Dedication
Team principal Stefano Domenicali dedicated Kimi Raikkonen's second place behind Lewis Hamilton in Sunday's race to Massa.
Domenicali, who visited his driver immediately after the race, said: "We dedicate the result to Felipe.
"At this time all our thoughts are with him and his family, and I think this sentiment also applies to those who are close to him and to fans all over the world.
"Kimi drove a great race, and the team worked in impeccable fashion, concentrating on the job despite what happened.
"We got the best result we were capable of, but please allow me on behalf of everyone at Ferrari to send our best wishes to Felipe.
"We love you and we are all thinking of you."
During the race itself, Massa's mechanics displayed a pit board in his garage with the message 'forza Felipe siamo con te' - 'strength Felipe we are with you'.
Massa's injuries stem from an incident during Saturday's second qualifying session when a spring from the suspension on Rubens Barrichello's Brawn GP car fell loose and hit his helmet at an estimated speed of 162 mph.
Concussed but with his foot still pressed firmly on the accelerator pedal, Massa then straightlined into a tyre barrier.
Recovery
Raikkonen, who joined Domenicali, Barrichello and Brawn GP team principal Ross Brawn on a visit to the hospital, is convinced his team-mate will make a full recovery.
"It's a sad thing that's happened from a very unlucky situation," the Finn said.
"But as long as we race with open cockpits our heads are always the first place that's going to be hit if something is flying around. It is part of racing and we all know that.
"What happened was really unfortunate, but luckily enough he's more or less okay.
"He's probably going to be a hundred percent fine in a little time. We in the team all hope he's going to be fine and come back soon."
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http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...27193150.shtml
He's out of the medically induced coma and seems to be speaking so its just the eye that's the main worry now :(Quote:
The latest reports from the Budapest hospital AEK about the condition of recovering Ferrari driver Felipe Massa are very positive.
It is said that the Brazilian, seriously injured when flying debris struck the front of his helmet during Hungarian GP qualifying last Saturday, has been woken from his induced coma and will not be put unconscious again.
Another scan on Monday afternoon showed that the 28-year-old's brain swelling had subsided, moving the medical team to wake him up and withdraw the artificial breathing.
Massa is said to now be conscious and has spoken his first words since the crash. A full recovery is now expected, with the biggest concern now being the condition of his damaged
left eye.
There were reports on Monday that Massa's optic nerve behind his left eye had been damaged to an unspecified degree.
It is however believed that his personal doctor Dino Altmann will not now push for the transfer from Hungary to Paris, given Monday afternoon's positive news indicates a far shorter hospitalisation.
Imo it speaks volumes for the standard of F1 safety that it takes a freak accident to hurt someone seriously, and even then they've managed to pull through :)
F1 is very safe, but you can't stop freak accidents like these, and fortunately they do occur and will keep occurring, they cannot be stopped. :(
The formula 1 website also reports he is awake and progressing well.
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I hope i'm wrong also but to be frank, it'll be his decision whether he comes back at the end of the day and an accident like this takes so much toll on your mind it's unbelievable and he'll of lost his no fear attitude. However if he has lost some of the memory of the crash then he will be alot better than he would of been.
Hes set to be released in 10 days, fantastic news, glad to see hes awake and well now. (doctors brought him out of the medically induced comer.)
source ~ http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...457421,00.html