Like I said before, most Moderators and Super Moderators rarely post. We all know who they are. I really think "Post regularly around the forum" should be added to their job description. If staff don't bother posting, why would the members bother?
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Like I said before, most Moderators and Super Moderators rarely post. We all know who they are. I really think "Post regularly around the forum" should be added to their job description. If staff don't bother posting, why would the members bother?
Yeah, I think they should be advised to post more. People are always more inclined to reply to threads made by senior figures. My threads when I was management would get more replies than they would now. I think that's management in general though Saurav rather than the moderation department. I don't know who the Super Moderators are any more and I've visited every few days since 2006 so it's not like I'm totally out of touch although my posting has declined.
I recently revamped the Moderator's Guide and ensured it included:
I do agree that staff posting is an issue but that is not limited to Moderators. We have a significant number of staff and they often make up a significant proportion of our online members and if they are not posting outside of their staff forums this does make the forum look very quiet. We did post a couple of threads before but they don't seem to have had a very big impact so I do think it's something we should look in to.Quote:
As well as keeping the forum clean, you have a number of responsibilities as a Moderator that will be monitored throughout your trial and during your time on this team, these are:
- Regularly posting around the forum, particularly in your section,
- Posting in threads to encourage discussion and
- Giving members reputation for good posts.
These are all very important parts of your job!
That's difficult though because you can't really make it mandatory because their task is to do their jobs. I know some of my best RVRs would come on for 10mins per day, post the most accurate reports and get back to trade on Habbo.
I remember when I joined, I liked it when management / super mods replied to my thread or posts. I also replied to their threads or posts regularly. There are some managers who post regularly and there are some who never post. Till this week, I didn't know Faboosh was the Rare Values manager. I only realised when the resignation announcement was posted.
I am staying on topic with your thread. I have only answered the points you have raised. Nice to know we are going to be blessed with ideas. At least I have suggested some. Controversial like what? As you say it's your thread so you should be at the forefront of suggestions. As to what Saurav says, I completely agree. Any staff should be active and contributing members as well. He does have a point there.
Although it would be great if Jake posts his ideas now rather than later, his thread's aim was to ask others for suggestions and there is no problem with that. This thread has already resulted in some good ideas. Could a member of management please reply to my essay in this thread with their opinions? :).
I think it'd be good if people could like/dislike other peoples posts, kinda like facebook, but I doubt that could happen. Yeah we have the rep system but its pointless cos the majority of the time the -reps get removed. I think the forums grand, Its just going a little inactive because people are studying for exams, the election **** did my head in.
As far as I could tell from the thread that got linked, the "blacklist" is just their name for the DNHL here rather than anything to do with actual bans.
The merge represents a great opportunity to get a new wave of members in, but we still have (as we did last year when I was making threads to the effect) a problem with retaining them in any number or quality. Pictures in avatars comes up fairly often as a suggestion but as far as I've ever seen it always gets shot down - not just by management but by the general populace.
Init I'm here most days really (cool kid) and I wouldn't be able to name the mod team at all. Maybe I'm just that good these days, but I think a fair chunk of the blame lies with them not integrating with the community enough.
With RVRs that's acceptable I'd say, as they're still doing their job properly in that way. When it comes to community management (ie: not so much site staff) and moderation there really should be more of a presence, as they're meant to be a part of the forum by definition.
I think the problem lies partly in the fact that people have for the past god knows how long been demanding that staff and members be treated with more equality, when in terms of making an actual status of staff - and in particular higher up members of staff - the opposite would be more helpful. There needs to somehow be a balance between them being "one of us" as it were and still being a dominant force that people respect if not like. I'm sure it's not the case with all staff but I think pretty much everyone knows that a lot of community staff (DJs and Help Desk staff in particular) are ignored as being beneath even normal members in many threads they get into, especially ones that tend to require you to have your own opinions, and there's not going to be any easy way to sort out staff-member relations without making paradoxical demands.
Not reading the whole thread, but I think a major key to getting more people signed up is through habbo. On total just trhough HxHD I've got about 10+ people signed up and running on the forum. If we pushed the forum on habbo then it'd be a win win situation!
Well I personally think things have moved on now. There used to be no pictures, then pictures in a thread now pictures on the forum except for an avatar so the reasons given then probably bullying etc etc have gone really. I know some people think they look 'tacky' but most of the other forums/social networking sites have them for teens so it seems to be a normal requirement these days and is expected. We do have a new management team so worth putting forward.
Regarding having pictures of yourself as an avatar I did create feedback poll regarding this to which the majority answered no. It appears that all of the feedback polls have disappeared though so if a significant amount of members seem in favour of this I will create another one to see if opinions have changed.
Moderator posting has increased since I've been in Forum Management as it was one of the things that Garion and I saw that needed to be cracked down upon when we took over. I agree that moderators do not post enough, in particular the Super Moderators and will be looking at ways to increase this posting.
A lot of our team are busy with exams at the moment though, so this may explain some absence.
Your accusation is pretty lame, considering I too have been, especially 2006 onward, always active on the forum, and have worked under each GM and AGM (the smart, and not so smart) since. The incentives to join and attract users when I was apparently incognito for the past six years have been more than lame. Paying $300 for a flash-based chat which a grand total of three people actually used was a horribly unattractive decision. To increase members and forum popularity Garion and Oliver, in conjunction with the events department, should be doing exactly what they've been doing for months. Getting the Habbox name out there on the client, and then keeping new forum users here with the well-kept atmosphere and forum events (like the election) is going to play a key role in drawing in all sorts of new American and Australian users proceeding the merge. If anyone is slacking, in my opinion, it's whoever's responsible (if anyone) for forum coding. There are a lot of useful forum plugins, such as live posts, tapatalk plugin, BBCode in usertitles and interactive javascript content which would enhance the forum, and improve on it significantly. Just the push required to get embedded youtube (which intertwined to the long wait for the vbulletin upgrade, and the skins not being done prior to) was what I'd regard as a hint of laziness which should have happened. Other than something like that I'm not even sure there's much constructive to Habbox's popularity decisions to be made through this thread. Especially since general management (of which two of them have previously managed the forum) are flexible and have a vast experience of knowing what works and what doesn't, and that Oliver has already stated, in what's a satisfactory lengthy post, targets outlining his commitment and plans to increase forum activity.
Garion, Oli, any reply to this please? :) http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...93#post6456993
Live post has been discussed. It would slow the forum down too much.
BBCode in usertitles is not there as members cannot have editable usertitles. Donors can have editable ones while VIP can have HTML ones.
Javascript is likely to cause security flaws. Many skins were done before the vb4 release? Only the old ones were recreated after. It took time to get them up as Jin wasn't on as much as no one else had FTP access. So you are trying to point out flaws which never existed. Sort your own department out first seriously as you seem to have zero clue about the forum.
That's true about live posts, but I thought other forums of the same popularity as Habbox had them?
Since when could VIPs directly embed HTML into their signatures?
Javascript is a client side language and would pose absolutely no threats to Habbox Forum.
There was a delay after VB4 (along with many complaining threads) about themes, or rather lack thereof.
My department is already sorted. I would consider it exceedingly petty to bring in old quarrels between you and my staffmembers into a thread about Habbox Forum.
There are, I am sure, able and willing users (as I pointed out at the time) who would have been more and happy to do up some wonderful skins. Jewish Bear was practically posting thread per minute on what needed to be done, he should have been allowed to theme himself.
I am honestly starting to think you are drunk today.
Other forums dont have a huge database like habbox's. Only those who have owned/run such a large forum realise how bad live posts is. Its ok for small forums, never for big ones.
When did I say anything about signatures? I said usertitles as you mentioned usertitles. HTML should never be allowed in signatures. It is a security flaw and vB recommend that you do not allow it. I could easily add 10000000 pop ups in my signature. I am sure you would love that.
You said skins weren't made. Tbh I prefer good skins rather than crap rushed skins.
If you read my first post in this thread (located on page 3) you will see that your department is far from sorted. I get warned for stupid things such as making jokes or calling someone an idiot in a friendly jokey way.
Policy 'in my day' was if a thread in "Discuss Anything" and was relevant to another forum as well it should be left in Discuss Anything providing it isn't really more suited to another forum. For example a thread such as "HELP MY COMPUTER R BROKE" would really be better suited in Tech but something like "What computer would you buy?" if posted in Discuss Anything could really just stay there. This is really down to Moderator discretion; if a more established member posts such a thread in Discuss Anything it is obvious they did so because they wanted it there. This is something I am sure Oli will look into.
I personally don't think this is a good idea. A significant amount of the people who are banned are banned for a good reason and I feel it's only fair, just and reasonable to keep those bans. If members feel their ban is unfair they are more than welcome to appeal it and we are generally quite good on evaluating situations. I'll cut you a deal, though. Perhaps on the weekend when I have a little more time I will go through the Permanent ban lists and have a look see if I think there are certain bans that aren't fair or could be considered unfair in the current forum climate. If I think there are I will unban the user and email them informing them that there old account is unbanned. I will have to discuss this with both Matt and Oli first, I'm just throwing ideas out there.
Yes I think this will be happening in the summer which is good! Habbox.com is our number one source for members and if this is optimised the forum will benefit from it.
I really did enjoy the Forum Election competition and I would love to do more. I'll be honest though I do find it hard to come up with ideas sometimes but we will try. If anyone can suggest any competitions I'd be more than willing to start running them.
This has now been addressed by Oli within the Mod Forum and will also be closely monitored by us both.
You can contact me with any complaints about HxHD Staff and I will look into it. I am sure Ben and David would also like to know if there staff aren't doing their jobs properly too. We can only fix these things if you give us examples and show us when it does happen.
Contrary to what's not popular believe I'm not drunk.
I meant usertitles, you cannot directly embed HTML into usertitles for the exact reasons you outlined. That's why BBCode would be the suitable replacement which has not been implemented.
Read my last post about skins.
If you're experiencing problems with HxHD, you shouldn't post it in a HxF thread. You should make a new thread or PM HxHD management.
Are you two getting confused regarding the so called "HTML" user titles for VIPs where they can be bold, in colour or even scrolling etc. That gets done by the Feature Managers and they can't add that themselves.
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Forum Skins:
We know that users aren't too popular with the new skin choices we have at the moment but we are thinking about getting another one made or even a couple more. Although I won't promise anything but it sure is in discussion. If you can create skins for Vb 4 then do please stand up and wave to us (contact myself or Forum Management)
Live Post:
It may of been a good feature but this is something we did not want to add on to the forum. I believe it was something to do with the impact of the server load.
Javascript:
What JavaScript are we actually talking about here?
Vb4 Delay:
It wasn't really our fault, although you may say it is because we chose to upgrade to it. But the fact certain releases/updates kept getting pushed back by vBulletin, it took longer to get installed public. Although we always did have a test forum so we could try the skins out etc etc.
Thanks System:
I do like thanks systems although on some forums it counts for reputation and others it doesn't. So the reputation system as we know it would probably have to be demolished, which could put some upset to users. So probably would not happen.
I probably have missed stuff but I will keep checking the thread over and over again and try and post with answers.
HotelUser seems to be confused about HTML yes :).
Install a thanks system and I will hack you and delete this forum kk. It was discussed in lenth last time and it was agreed it wont be installed as its useless, crap and pointless. Dont bring it up again for debate please :(.
Nope, you are entirely confused about HTML. Refer to this post.
Discuss Anything is a peculiar forum, I personally don't like it, when it was introduced Habbox's other forums were much more restrictive, however now I believe we have forums which cater for most topics and on the rare occasion something doesnt fit we have Discuss Anything. There was a point last year where I felt people would post in discuss anything out of sheer laziness to post in the correct forum. In terms of forums in general being quiet, it's because Habbox is quiet and I think one of the main issues is that staff are not posting as much as staff used to.
Where I see the benefits of this I see more problems, 95% of permanently banned users are free to create a new account and post at Habbox Forum, you have done it, Jake has done it, Graham has done it and recently Wootzeh has returned on a new account also. We do clear the "Autoban" list quite regularly and something we have started introducing is extended temporary autobans rather than permanent autobans.Quote:
I have been on this forum for over 5 years and number of posts in these forums have declined slowly mainly due to the people who used to post in them used to break a few rules too. Over time they ended up being perm banned. They left, meaning less activity, meaning some others left too.
That is why I have always asked for a mass unban. Place all unbanned users in a special usergroup, if they get more than 2 infractions = ban again as they clearly don't deserve to be here.
Even Habbo unban users from perm bans so I dont see why Habbox can't. It will increase a bit of activity for sure, and that is beneficial to the forum. Like I said, the special usergroup will mean the unbanned users will probably not break rules as they will want to keep their account.
I agree whole heartedly.Quote:
Secondly, I would rather Matt makes good decisions rather than quick ones which end up harming the forum.
I think this will be a big statement to the Forum that members are listened to, it was often said following the Election that no policies would be implemented so I think the fact that we are implementing certain policies suggested by The Rainbow Party (watch this space) will really shine out, it will also bode well for future competitions as it will show they have more promise. I noticed a thread on ClubHabboForum about their election in which SkaterChu shot down every single policy his candidates suggested. Bit different here, eh? .Quote:
Thirdly, read my signature :). I can't say anything else about it but to read my signature. If what I think will happen happens, people will love it. That's all I can say.
As said above, I think our changes on sunday will really give value to such competitions and as Forum Manager I intend to run a lot of competitions like this. I know the Competitions Department are cooking something special up for the World Cup which they would like our help with and I am also planning a few forum things too. I will also be speaking to Roxy about bringing the Habbox Summer Spectacular onto the forum as well, instead of it simply just being a Habbo thing which I think will be good.Quote:
It will also be good to do more forum wide competitions - where members have to get together - as it makes the forum more active. The Forum Elections clearly increased activity. It also meant a lot of new members signed up to vote and hopefully some of those will stay on to post etc.
As Garion said, this is actually part of the Moderator job description and I have made efforts to re-enforce this recently.Quote:
Another thing I think is vital (and this used to happen a lot back in 2006-2007), is for Forum (Super) Moderators to create threads and post regularly. I am not going to name any names as its unfair, but most Forum (Super) Moderators rarely ever create threads or make posts. Its a fact that new members love it when people in Red / Lime reply to their threads/posts.
@ thanks system = NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
just leave the forum how it is for **** sake, i hate change, its grand how it is ppl are just trying to add pointless things that we don't need.
I mentioned signatures first and then corrected myself proceeding this saying I meant to say titles, and I am perfectly aware that you can request an HTML title, but I'm saying the feature could be implemented directly into the profile editing page, which you completely ignored in my post.