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Originally Posted by Minion

I wasn't aiming it at a managerial role Sarah was in a managerial role and then resigned and came back 2 days later I think.
However, it's not a dig at Sarah, it was the only example I could think of :).
Not arguing or anything, I don't have anything wrong with the management team, I just think fresh faces are needed!
Also Martin was off for about 3 weeks I do agree that's enough time.
Also members on the forum wanted Martin to become (AGM) staff after Garion's departure, however it was Oli who stepped in if I'm not mistaken, and he was suppose to leave at New Year however I think he is doing a good job at the moment.

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I can understand why people wanted Martin to become AGM Staff at the time when Garion resigned. Yes Oli did get the job and still is doing a good job at the role, hence why he never left at the New Year after me and Jin decided he can stay and carry in with the role till whenever he decides to go fully.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

It wasn't very long at all, only a couple of weeks.

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Maybe it wasn't but Martin got the job and was the person who we thought would be the best at the job at the time, he wasn't the only one on our list either.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Habbox Managers are like fine wine! If they're let out in the open they go sour and turn into vinegar.

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Haha, love it.

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Originally Posted by xxMATTGxx

Maybe it wasn't but Martin got the job and was the person who we thought would be the best at the job at the time, he wasn't the only one on our list either.

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But a plus certainly was that you wouldn't have to remove a department manager from a department.

Same faces? Hmmm

AGM Staff has changed hands a few times in the last 6 months, Roxy was AGM Comm for just over a year and i think Joe has been too. As for Dept Managers, in RV we had 3 new RV managers last year and obvs 3 new assistants, even though me and previous manager were manager a couple of year ago too.

Forum manager has changed loads. HxHD manager changed this year, Events changed, News changed. I think near enough every Dept had a manager change, i think those are enough fresh faces! We can't have managers changing all over the place, the best managers are those that stay for atleast 6 months, that way you actually manage to change things and bring the department forward.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Habbox Managers are like fine wine! If they're let out in the open they go sour and turn into vinegar.

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Yeah but Habbox is a packet of chips and our Staff are like sprinkles of salt.... we just go perfect together :)

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

But a plus certainly was that you wouldn't have to remove a department manager from a department.

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If that's what you want to think, then fair enough. But that wouldn't stop us asking us a department manager to be a member of the General Management Team if they thought they would be the best at it. If they accept, fantastic. If they don't, then we just go back to our list and ask the next person.

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Originally Posted by -Danube-

Same faces? Hmmm

AGM Staff has changed hands a few times in the last 6 months, Roxy was AGM Comm for just over a year and i think Joe has been too. As for Dept Managers, in RV we had 3 new RV managers last year and obvs 3 new assistants, even though me and previous manager were manager a couple of year ago too.

Forum manager has changed loads. HxHD manager changed this year, Events changed, News changed. I think near enough every Dept had a manager change, i think those are enough fresh faces! We can't have managers changing all over the place, the best managers are those that stay for atleast 6 months, that way you actually manage to change things and bring the department forward.

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Yeah but Habbox is a packet of chips and our Staff are like sprinkles of salt.... we just go perfect together :)

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I was talking about General Management.

The only things that have changed really since I have been here are:

- Sammeth. leaving
- Catzsy being ill
- Roxy hiring
- Roxy resigning
- Martin hiring
- garion resigning
- oli returning
- matt promoting

I do agree there may have been a lot. However, most if not all of them were big names before they were in a gm role. That's all. :).


Also I can see where you are coming from whoever said they may not want to leave their department. Honestly if I was dedicated and was worthy and got offered a promotion then more than likely I wouldn't take it.

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Originally Posted by Minion

I wasn't aiming it at a managerial role Sarah was in a managerial role and then resigned and came back 2 days later I think.
However, it's not a dig at Sarah, it was the only example I could think of :).
Not arguing or anything, I don't have anything wrong with the management team, I just think fresh faces are needed!
Also Martin was off for about 3 weeks I do agree that's enough time.
Also members on the forum wanted Martin to become (AGM) staff after Garion's departure, however it was Oli who stepped in if I'm not mistaken, and he was suppose to leave at New Year however I think he is doing a good job at the moment.

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So you don't have anything wrong with the team but you think fresh faces are needed? Eh? Don't dilute your opinion just to avoid arguments and such. As long as you keep it constructive, we can only disagree with you :D

I agree with Matt (as in Mathew). There should be some structure in the lower/medium staff levels just to keep things running like clockwork but the general management shouldn't be structured as it's a bigger job and (assistant) general managers generally stay for a long time than lower staff.

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Originally Posted by Minion

I was talking about General Management.

The only things that have changed really since I have been here are:

- Sammeth. leaving
- Catzsy being ill
- Roxy hiring
- Roxy resigning
- Martin hiring
- garion resigning
- oli returning
- matt promoting

I do agree there may have been a lot. However, most if not all of them were big names before they were in a gm role. That's all. :).


Also I can see where you are coming from whoever said they may not want to leave their department. Honestly if I was dedicated and was worthy and got offered a promotion then more than likely I wouldn't take it.

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I think you have to be a pretty big name in order to get into general management. I don't mean in terms of popularity on the forum, but i mean in terms of people knowing who you are because you speak out and get involved etc, you can't be having a quiet member of general management who knowone has a clue who they are :P

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Originally Posted by Seriousity,

So you don't have anything wrong with the team but you think fresh faces are needed? Eh? Don't dilute your opinion just to avoid arguments and such. As long as you keep it constructive, we can only disagree with you :D

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I wasn't.

I do not have anything against the general management team. Correct.
Yes I do want new faces.
However, Martin has been chosen, I can't do anything about it, I'd have to live with it regardless of what I wanted.
Martin will be a good agm but it doesn't mean that fresh faces are unneeded.
And maybe, when another spot comes up then a new, fresh face may take a role in a gm's shoes.

Did I explain myself clearly, I do know what I'm trying to say it's just harder typing it.

I can't understand though, cos Martin was a fresh face to GM?

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Originally Posted by -Danube-

I can't understand though, cos Martin was a fresh face to GM?

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Agreed. However, I think I included forum management as a gm role when I shouldn't have. :P
g2g.

I think some people are kinda having ago at people for resigning and coming back which I think is harsh, if someone resigned and was like LOL HABBOX IS **** I HATE YOU ALL and then wanted to come back... fair enough don't rehire them, they resigned for a reason and shouldnt be rewarded further.

However, I don't see the issue with people resigning and then deciding to come back A) if they regret their decision soon after B) when they resigned they informed management there was a possibility of returning.

The example of A would be Sarah, she resigned as Assistant Forum Manager however asked if she could return as a Super Moderator a few days later knowing we were low on Super Moderators and didn't really have anyone in the team capable of being promoted. What's wrong with that?

The example of B would be me, I resigned knowing I would have to leave Habbox for at least 1 month due to moving to a completely new part of the country and setting up a new life, I told Jin and Matt that I would consider returning if the time was right and I had enough time, I considered returning as a Moderator/Super Moderator however before I had chance to ask, I was asked by Jin if I had settled in and found if I had time spare - when the answer was yes he offered me the job. I don't think there's anything wrong with that either, I know we've kinda agreed that General Management is different to normal staff however I believe that in my instance I should have been allowed to return as a Moderator or Super Moderator as I didn't ditch Habbox, I had no choice - and I will continue hiring staff and allowing staff to be hired in this way - it's my job.

People who resign aren't evil, they have reasons - if those reasons go away or they change their mind they are more than welcome to return, unless they've been gone a long time OR have resigned/returned/resigned returned a lot. That's how it works here and it's not going to change whilst I'm in charge of staff.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

I think some people are kinda having ago at people for resigning and coming back which I think is harsh, if someone resigned and was like LOL HABBOX IS **** I HATE YOU ALL and then wanted to come back... fair enough don't rehire them, they resigned for a reason and shouldnt be rewarded further.

However, I don't see the issue with people resigning and then deciding to come back A) if they regret their decision soon after B) when they resigned they informed management there was a possibility of returning.

The example of A would be Sarah, she resigned as Assistant Forum Manager however asked if she could return as a Super Moderator a few days later knowing we were low on Super Moderators and didn't really have anyone in the team capable of being promoted. What's wrong with that?

The example of B would be me, I resigned knowing I would have to leave Habbox for at least 1 month due to moving to a completely new part of the country and setting up a new life, I told Jin and Matt that I would consider returning if the time was right and I had enough time, I considered returning as a Moderator/Super Moderator however before I had chance to ask, I was asked by Jin if I had settled in and found if I had time spare - when the answer was yes he offered me the job. I don't think there's anything wrong with that either, I know we've kinda agreed that General Management is different to normal staff however I believe that in my instance I should have been allowed to return as a Moderator or Super Moderator as I didn't ditch Habbox, I had no choice - and I will continue hiring staff and allowing staff to be hired in this way - it's my job.

People who resign aren't evil, they have reasons - if those reasons go away or they change their mind they are more than welcome to return, unless they've been gone a long time OR have resigned/returned/resigned returned a lot. That's how it works here and it's not going to change whilst I'm in charge of staff.

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Would moving to another fansite then asking to return to Habbox be allowed?

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Originally Posted by Minion

Would moving to another fansite then asking to return to Habbox be allowed?

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Well that would be well and truly deserting Habbox in the manner we've said that the people who are allowed to return haven't - so definitely not in management however if a member of staff resigned for a bit, went to another fansite for a bit, came back here after a month and there was a position open in the department they worked for I'd have no issue with letting them have it if they had good reasons for wanting to return and they were a good member of staff.

I think someone resigning because they dislike someone then returning when they've gone is ridiculous (fortunately this doesn't really happen all too often, I do think it's extremely petty). There's always going to be people you work with who you don't like. Bold acts like this, or ragging on them around the clock is really silly when the two people can exist separately and in peace. That's really the biggest thing that I don't like - which in a sense is outright targeting other people who haven't necessarily ever done anything to anyone else other than hold a position you don't want them in. You should hold a position at Habbox because you like what the job entails, the title surrounding the job as well as who else is doing it when it has no affect on you should be entirely irrelevant and if not then you're really here for the wrong reasons :P

I think someone resigning because they want a "higher position" isn't something that I've seen happen much at habbox other than several users who have resigned because they didn't get a position they wanted throughout the years. Sometimes this coincides with the above and they resign out of protest (again, how much could they value and enjoy their position here if they're willing to stop doing it over something as petty) or sometimes they've set their goals higher than they think they can achieve and they just step down in an act of "giving up" sortospeak.

I think someone resigning and then regretting it is okay, then deciding to return. I think this happens frequently, and probably anyone who's been working at Habbox for longer than a year has hesitated over the decision to resign before.

I see no problem with people who have done a fantastic job as a manager leaving for a short period because they have irl issues, then coming back and becoming a high position. It happens in loads of fansites, regardless of the persons past if they are the best bet for the job then they will get offered it (if the person who offers it them wants to improve habbox, which mattg obviously wants to.)

I think if the management of Sulake, Facebook, twitter, Habbo were interrogated about what staff they hired and why they would be told to 'sod off as it is none of their business'. Members of this forum are not shareholders and in that way do not have a say in how it is run, however, as a community based forum there has always been great emphasis of asking members for their opinions but to me this is a step too far.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

I think if the management of Sulake, Facebook, twitter, Habbo were interrogated about what staff they hired and why they would be told to 'sod off as it is none of their business'. Members of this forum are not shareholders and in that way do not have a say in how it is run, however, as a community based forum there has always been great emphasis of asking members for their opinions but to me this is a step too far.

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Although I see where you are coming from, Habbox is not like any of those websites - and the users have a very good idea about how things work behind the scenes. Sas, but true.

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Originally Posted by Milestone

Although I see where you are coming from, Habbox is not like any of those websites - and the users have a very good idea about how things work behind the scenes. Sas, but true.

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I disagree, the users know very little about how Habbox works behind the scenes hence a lot of the arguments that occur in feedback.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

I disagree, the users know very little about how Habbox works behind the scenes hence a lot of the arguments that occur in feedback.

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And this is why Habbox management should be more open rather than conspiring together in an MSN chat window. You alienate your members :(

I don't see that the problem is :S

Surely if the person hired was best for the job, then there's nothing to complain about?
As much as I'd like to be given an opportunity to be a SMOD, I know that for now at least there's been better people than me out there, so thats that. What can I do?

At the end of the day, for habbox to move forward we need the best people occupying the higher positions.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

And this is why Habbox management should be more open rather than conspiring together in an MSN chat window. You alienate your members :(

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We are much more open than most other fansites in our league and people forget that we're one of the most open to ideas too, especially over the past 18 months or so.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

We are much more open than most other fansites in our league and people forget that we're one of the most open to ideas too, especially over the past 18 months or so.

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It's not so much being open to ideas, it's also about opening up your own ideas and such.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

It's not so much being open to ideas, it's also about opening up your own ideas and such.

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We do this a lot more than previous management I tend to find - I don't really remember many times beyond the past year where all 4 members of General Management actively posted in feedback bouncing ideas around and even interacting with members on the Hotel, that is said with no disrespect to previous management but they were very much more closed and did this a lot less than we do, we can't reveal everything to members as that's not how these kind of things work.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

It's not so much being open to ideas, it's also about opening up your own ideas and such.

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I'd say there's a division between what's appropriate to discuss with users and what's inappropriate and would give the appearance of unprofessionalism as well as the undoubtable amount of additional arguing that would take place between users and the management team if certain things were discussed, and other things more in depth.

Compared to Habbox past feedback today is much more fluid and all the more welcome.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

We do this a lot more than previous management I tend to find - I don't really remember many times beyond the past year where all 4 members of General Management actively posted in feedback bouncing ideas around and even interacting with members on the Hotel, that is said with no disrespect to previous management but they were very much more closed and did this a lot less than we do, we can't reveal everything to members as that's not how these kind of things work.

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I disagree, General management very rarely put out their own ideas for discussion and development and will usually just take an initial idea and add a little to it. And it's not so much all four members actively posting, it's all four members actively discussing amongst themselves and then sending you off with the general decision of how to react.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

I disagree, General management very rarely put out their own ideas for discussion and development and will usually just take an initial idea and add a little to it. And it's not so much all four members actively posting, it's all four members actively discussing amongst themselves and then sending you off with the general decision of how to react.

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I disagree, you only have to look in feedback threads to see General Management discussing their thoughts with people, at the end of the day we are put in these positions to make decisions and sometimes these decisions are going to be disliked - as David said, there are things which are right to discuss and things which aren't, we're pretty good at discussing the things which are right to discuss with the public, definitely in comparison with former General Management teams (I'm not saying they were wrong to do this either).

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

I disagree, you only have to look in feedback threads to see General Management discussing their thoughts with people, at the end of the day we are put in these positions to make decisions and sometimes these decisions are going to be disliked - as David said, there are things which are right to discuss and things which aren't, we're pretty good at discussing the things which are right to discuss with the public, definitely in comparison with former General Management teams (I'm not saying they were wrong to do this either).

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You may occasionally put an idea or a thought forward in part of a discussion however you will never have an idea or a thought that'll provoke discussion that you put out for forum members to dwell upon. I'm not sure when the last time general management had a good idea that wasn't provoked by forum members. Unprovoked ideas that management have are never put forward to users to be developed and improved and are simply put out as part of updates.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

You may occasionally put an idea or a thought forward in part of a discussion however you will never have an idea or a thought that'll provoke discussion that you put out for forum members to dwell upon. I'm not sure when the last time general management had a good idea that wasn't provoked by forum members. Unprovoked ideas that management have are never put forward to users to be developed and improved and are simply put out as part of updates.

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We don't need member approval for our ideas though, that's the thing, member feedback is listened to however this should not turn into members discussing the ideas that management put forward for the site, we're in these positions to manage the site, we do what we do and users are welcome to feedback afterwards, that's how a hierachy works, Habbox isn't democratic, wouldn't work if it was democratic and won't ever be democratic.

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Originally Posted by Hecktix

We don't need member approval for our ideas though, that's the thing, member feedback is listened to however this should not turn into members discussing the ideas that management put forward for the site, we're in these positions to manage the site, we do what we do and users are welcome to feedback afterwards, that's how a hierachy works, Habbox isn't democratic, wouldn't work if it was democratic and won't ever be democratic.

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That's a bit of a 'Shoot first ask questions later' kind of scenario, it's not so much asking for permission from users but allowing users to develop an idea further so that it's better when it first arrives. You can either not ask and put out a nice idea poorly conceived or ask and put out a nice idea well conceived.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

That's a bit of a 'Shoot first ask questions later' kind of scenario, it's not so much asking for permission from users but allowing users to develop an idea further so that it's better when it first arrives. You can either not ask and put out a nice idea poorly conceived or ask and put out a nice idea well conceived.

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So you are saying when managers don't ask users what we do is poor? Interesting, that's not what gets us into these positions.

Responding to what I see as the main points of the thread...

As far as openness, discussions regarding forum policies and other things are often discussed with users, but there are certain things that are never discussed with members. Actually two things: discipline and staffing. Disciplining of members (infractions, cautions, bans) and staffing (warnings, demotions, firings, promotions) are the only things that aren't discussed with the public, for very obvious reasons. We try to maintain a level of professionalism and airing everyone's dirty laundry will devolve the conversation into namecalling and borderline slander.

When you hear about a complain about Habbox being "secretive" or "not open" with its members, it's almost always about staffing decisions, or about disciplinary decisions. That's because Habbox is NOT open about those things, has made that clear, and has solid reasons. I think that the fact that complaints about "openness" really only come to light when there are staffing/disciplinary issues highlights how well Habbox has done on being open on nearly all other issues. Certainly there are glitches but General Management teams have, with very few exceptions, been constantly improving on the openness of content and community based changes to Habbox.

Regarding the "shoot first ask questions later", ideas by General Management are usually born out of what the users want. Certainly from time to time we come up with big things that our users never started (Habbo Knowledge Guide, HxSS, special events, some new features) but the majority of the management's time is spent doing things that will make the user experience better. The easiest way to do that is to respond to issues the users have. If someone expresses a problem and a solution, the management might not feel that the solution is a good idea. But perhaps a few weeks later, management comes up with an idea to solve the problem differently, and they will implement it. They'll kick it around a bit and if it seems to work, they'll run with it. So usually most decisions are in some way responsive to user input.

Also, on the current issue. Habbox is changing and experiencing some different times. In the past GMs and AGMs have mostly been promoted from department manager. In this case there was a special need for a certain staff member and for a variety of reasons that I'm sure General Management considered carefully but doesn't want to make public, Oli was the viable choice. I'm sure the same thing was true with Bolt. We're going through strange times with Habbox but I'm sure they're making every effort to elevate the current managers, but certain circumstances probably made the decision they made the best possible decision given the situation.

Why aren't they telling us the circumstances so that we can then say, oh yeah, that makes sense? Because there would probably be an ensuing debate about whether manager x or manager y could have fit the criteria and then there will be hurt feelings among the brilliant management team which the General Management obviously values and doesn't want to hurt. Making public the reasons why the other potential candidates weren't chosen, or why the current candidate was chosen, though promoting openness, would sow discontent and some bad feeling among potential candidates and the management team in general.

I love threads like these. In the old days, it'd pretty much be whoever was the longest serving member of staff would get the position, which is why they wouldn't leave. This was always the case and everyone knew it, the longest-working people would get the position based on their long loyalty to Habbox. If you left, you wouldn't get another position at Habbox.

Now it's if you leave, you'll be more likely to get a promotion than when you were currently Management. People have proven that in this thread, so it's hard to deny the fact that the rules on recruiting Management changed. Now I'm not placing the blame on anyone, I Just think It's a bit weird that this is the case Now whereas it wouldn't have been a good year or two ago.

I'm not going to deny that the members of management that got promoted deserved their position, but I do think others deserve it internally as to asking people who left Habbox to come back. I'd be well miffed if I were a Manager here, waiting for a promotion for hard work & then being told someone who left has trumped me for the position. I'm sure the Managers below AGM were annoyed at the time, but this is Habbox where everything is "professional" so we wouldn't ever know that for certain (unless you know them personally, in which case you probably do).

Anyway, just my two cents. :)

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Originally Posted by Pyroka

I love threads like these. In the old days, it'd pretty much be whoever was the longest serving member of staff would get the position, which is why they wouldn't leave. This was always the case and everyone knew it, the longest-working people would get the position based on their long loyalty to Habbox. If you left, you wouldn't get another position at Habbox.

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Now it's if you leave, you'll be more likely to get a promotion than when you were currently Management. People have proven that in this thread, so it's hard to deny the fact that the rules on recruiting Management changed. Now I'm not placing the blame on anyone, I Just think It's a bit weird that this is the case Now whereas it wouldn't have been a good year or two ago.

I'm not going to deny that the members of management that got promoted deserved their position, but I do think others deserve it internally as to asking people who left Habbox to come back. I'd be well miffed if I were a Manager here, waiting for a promotion for hard work & then being told someone who left has trumped me for the position. I'm sure the Managers below AGM were annoyed at the time, but this is Habbox where everything is "professional" so we wouldn't ever know that for certain (unless you know them personally, in which case you probably do).

Anyway, just my two cents. :)

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My memory of the history of Habbox is not quite the same as yours. I can remember 'rapid' promotions back in the days with long serving staff waiting even longer. If a valuable, long serving member of staff has to resign due to personal reasons why shouldn't they be brought back if they are willing. I remember Seacat leaving and being brought back under similar circumstances and that was back in 2006/2007. Jrh has returned under similar circumstances. If somebody has the qualities, attributes and experience and is basically the best person for the post it would be a bit of a travesty not to appoint them. It was not envisaged that Roxy would resign and tbh I do not think there would be one member of staff who would not say that Martin is not perfectly suited to the role. I would say if Habbox brought in new people from other sites straight into management this discussion would be valid. :P

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My memory of the history of Habbox is not quite the same as yours. I can remember 'rapid' promotions back in the days with long serving staff waiting even longer. If a valuable, long serving member of staff has to resign due to personal reasons why shouldn't they be brought back if they are willing. I remember Seacat leaving and being brought back under similar circumstances and that was back in 2006/2007. Jrh has returned under similar circumstances. If somebody has the qualities, attributes and experience and is basically the best person for the post it would be a bit of a travesty not to appoint them. It was not envisaged that Roxy would resign and tbh I do not think there would be one member of staff who would not say that Martin is not perfectly suited to the role. I would say if Habbox brought in new people from other sites straight into management this discussion would be valid. :P

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I don't remember Jrh being brought back tbh, you've probably got a longer experience on HxF than I do. But as I said though, I wasn't saying that who they bring back aren't good for the job, I just simply think that other people should be given a chance instead. And Habbox would never bring people into Management from other sites, even if that site was called Habbo.com (yes they wouldn't even recruit Sulake staff lol), never gonna even consider that possibility as it's one of those sites where you have to work your way up to the top... However, from what I see it's work your way almost to the top, quit, and get higher which is a bit confusing lol.

By the way, I'm going off on a tangent a bit here but what job did Jamesy have before being a Forum/Site Technician (technician of some sort anyway)? Because I don't recall him having one... I guess you could say that's me going off on a tangent, but it kinda relates to what I'm saying here. I mean, I could suggest FlyingJesus to be a member of Management and I bet he'd be excellent for it but obv because he doesn't get along with certain people, he'd never get that job. I think you can see what I'm getting at here, and I bet a lot of users reading this post already knew from when they just started reading page 1 of this thread. Actually, informed users probably didn't even need to see this thread.

I say users, because that also comes under Staff. Oh the heretics with their opinions lol.

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Originally Posted by Pyroka

I don't remember Jrh being brought back tbh, you've probably got a longer experience on HxF than I do. But as I said though, I wasn't saying that who they bring back aren't good for the job, I just simply think that other people should be given a chance instead. And Habbox would never bring people into Management from other sites, even if that site was called Habbo.com (yes they wouldn't even recruit Sulake staff lol), never gonna even consider that possibility as it's one of those sites where you have to work your way up to the top... However, from what I see it's work your way almost to the top, quit, and get higher which is a bit confusing lol.

By the way, I'm going off on a tangent a bit here but what job did Jamesy have before being a Forum/Site Technician (technician of some sort anyway)? Because I don't recall him having one... I guess you could say that's me going off on a tangent, but it kinda relates to what I'm saying here. I mean, I could suggest FlyingJesus to be a member of Management and I bet he'd be excellent for it but obv because he doesn't get along with certain people, he'd never get that job. I think you can see what I'm getting at here, and I bet a lot of users reading this post already knew from when they just started reading page 1 of this thread. Actually, informed users probably didn't even need to see this thread.

I say users, because that also comes under Staff. Oh the heretics with their opinions lol.

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Some of them do 'seem' correct imo, however in some cases there are some people who actually deserve their position, however, that's mostly in the dept. managers.

On the other hand you have a lot more experiecene than me, and I can only talk about so much, so what happened 3/4 years ago doesn't really ring a bell to me.

If the management rules have changed, then it may have been good being informed :).

Also I agree at you saying some of the regular forum members could do a great job as management (not me) but some of the people who actually appear 'rebelish' and also don't get on with some staff could actually be a help to the site.

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Originally Posted by Pyroka

I don't remember Jrh being brought back tbh, you've probably got a longer experience on HxF than I do. But as I said though, I wasn't saying that who they bring back aren't good for the job, I just simply think that other people should be given a chance instead. And Habbox would never bring people into Management from other sites, even if that site was called Habbo.com (yes they wouldn't even recruit Sulake staff lol), never gonna even consider that possibility as it's one of those sites where you have to work your way up to the top... However, from what I see it's work your way almost to the top, quit, and get higher which is a bit confusing lol.

By the way, I'm going off on a tangent a bit here but what job did Jamesy have before being a Forum/Site Technician (technician of some sort anyway)? Because I don't recall him having one... I guess you could say that's me going off on a tangent, but it kinda relates to what I'm saying here. I mean, I could suggest FlyingJesus to be a member of Management and I bet he'd be excellent for it but obv because he doesn't get along with certain people, he'd never get that job. I think you can see what I'm getting at here, and I bet a lot of users reading this post already knew from when they just started reading page 1 of this thread. Actually, informed users probably didn't even need to see this thread.

I say users, because that also comes under Staff. Oh the heretics with their opinions lol.

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Jamesy was a Mod and then an Smod for quite a long time :D Well if FJ wants a job I am sure he will apply although I am sure he was a Manager once. There was a time when I would not have been able to get a job here but there we are these things happen. I do not really think that as long as someone is suitable for a job then they should not work their way up as Martin certainly did. He was the New Manager for an awful long time.

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Originally Posted by Minion

Some of them do 'seem' correct imo, however in some cases there are some people who actually deserve their position, however, that's mostly in the dept. managers.

On the other hand you have a lot more experiecene than me, and I can only talk about so much, so what happened 3/4 years ago doesn't really ring a bell to me.

If the management rules have changed, then it may have been good being informed :).

Also I agree at you saying some of the regular forum members could do a great job as management (not me) but some of the people who actually appear 'rebelish' and also don't get on with some staff could actually be a help to the site.

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People seem to have a short memory of when Hecktix was a forum rebel and was permenantly banned. However becoming friends with the right people not only escalates you to Forum Manager after being banned from the said forum, but also when you leave you're treated at such a high manner that you're asked back for a higher role than what you previously were. I'm not picking on Oli specifically, but he is and always will be the one example for that argument.

And regarding Management rules being changed, I wouldn't hold your breath because there never was any written rules, simply unwritten rules that seem to be twisted whenever it suits them.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Jamesy was a Mod and then an Smod for quite a long time :D Well if FJ wants a job I am sure he will apply although I am sure he was a Manager once. There was a time when I would not have been able to get a job here but there we are these things happen. I do not really think that as long as someone is suitable for a job then they should not work their way up as Martin certainly did. He was the New Manager for an awful long time.

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Ah I couldn't remember that at all! :P Can't even remember him becoming FM tbh! And like, FlyingJesus, as well as the likes of Neversoft & GommeInc have contributed tons to Habbox yet they've never ever been considered for a position in management, though FlyingJesus did because... well, I dunno why he was to be honest but judging by the amount of support the Habbox Council got, which he was the manager of(?), he wasn't that highly considered. Martin was News Manager for an awful long time yeah, but when it comes to it why would someone leave? I mean, would it be due to personal reasons? Or that they have no time on there hands to do so? So why would they leave in the first place and later come back as a higher position, literally like a week or two after they like. I don't get that at all, I remember that somebody resigned from HxHD (possibly Shar?) and they had to build their way back to the top, yet in any other department this is not the case, no in fact, if you leave then you end up getting a higher position than what you had, or equally returning to the position you once had. Double standards? I think so.

One other person I'd like to give an honorable mention to is Immenseman. He contributed so much to Habbox, yet when management were given the chance they fully shut him out and cast him out as some sort of criminal. Now I know the reasons for why he was cast out as a criminal, but do you think he would've done that if he was treated with some respect like most ex-management are? Do you think he would've ever been asked back to be AGM (Community), considering in my opinion, he has more experience than Roxy and Martin have put together?

Bluntly put, no. He's not friends with the right people, and General Management have a grudge against him. Thats what it boils down to nowadays, if you're not friends with them, you can forget about it.

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Originally Posted by Pyroka

People seem to have a short memory of when Hecktix was a forum rebel and was permenantly banned. However becoming friends with the right people not only escalates you to Forum Manager after being banned from the said forum, but also when you leave you're treated at such a high manner that you're asked back for a higher role than what you previously were. I'm not picking on Oli specifically, but he is and always will be the one example for that argument.

And regarding Management rules being changed, I wouldn't hold your breath because there never was any written rules, simply unwritten rules that seem to be twisted whenever it suits them.

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I have to say this is extremely unfair and not at all the truth - it is pure subjecture.
I am sure Oli won't mind me mentioning this but when he came back after being banned and applied to be a mod and was accepted I thought management had lost their marbles BUT how very wrong I was. He worked extremely hard in that role and deserved his promotion to Smod. Since then he has dedicated a lot of his time to positively contribute to Habbox in all senses of the word and has done a remarkable job of it. I am not going into the reason he was perm banned before but you have to consider who banned him and the fact that people do learn from their mistakes and mature as individuals.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

I have to say this is extremely unfair and not at all the truth - it is pure subjecture.
I am sure Oli won't mind me mentioning this but when he came back after being banned and applied to be a mod and was accepted I thought management had lost their marbles BUT how very wrong I was. He worked extremely hard in that role and deserved his promotion to Smod. Since then he has dedicated a lot of his time to positively contribute to Habbox in all senses of the word and has done a remarkable job of it. I am not going into the reason he was perm banned before but you have to consider who banned him and the fact that people do learn from their mistakes and mature as individuals.

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I have to say also that your post is an extremely biased point of view. Oli was a total rebel, and in anyone elses position they would not have ever been considered for a Moderator. That is like saying Minstrels (Matty) who has been banned so many times, applied for a Moderator & then went onto be a Forum Manager. He would never be given a Moderator role after being banned, and I'm pretty sure Matt hasn't even been perm banned (though I don't come on here much now so maybe you dealt that harsh blow a while ago lol). I mean you look at the list of requirements for applying for Moderator, Oli did not fit that role, he never would've fit that role in a million years due to his past & yet Habbox Management put it aside for him. Special treatment at best. I'm not denying Oli has done a good job, but there was simply no way he should've ever been given a Moderator job & further on from that.

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Originally Posted by Pyroka

I have to say also that your post is an extremely biased point of view. Oli was a total rebel, and in anyone elses position they would not have ever been considered for a Moderator. That is like saying Minstrels (Matty) who has been banned so many times, applied for a Moderator & then went onto be a Forum Manager. He would never be given a Moderator role after being banned, and I'm pretty sure Matt hasn't even been perm banned (though I don't come on here much now so maybe you dealt that harsh blow a while ago lol). I mean you look at the list of requirements for applying for Moderator, Oli did not fit that role, he never would've fit that role in a million years due to his past & yet Habbox Management put it aside for him. Special treatment at best. I'm not denying Oli has done a good job, but there was simply no way he should've ever been given a Moderator job & further on from that.

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How am I biased? I was not an Oli fan then (sorry Oli:P). I think I know a lot more than you about the work Oli has done for Habbox having worked as an Smod when he was a new mod and and as an Smod with him so I am able to comment supporting it. He came back to the forum, didn't break the rules and was an active and postive member and proved himself before being offered a mod post. This is something that any member even if they have been the worst rebel around can do if they want to and maybe the forum would be a better place for it.