Please do not...offend... other users

Why can't mods ever admit that they're wrong sometimes? Does it take PM's to Brandon yet again to ensure mods get it right...?

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Originally Posted by Zuth

As I've already said, I'm not a mind reader and didn't know if it did or did not offend the user. I also can not see reported posts so I had to act.

P.S Posting private content is also against the rules.

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It's my private content, if I choose to share it, that's my choice. You didn't have to act lmao, if you would have used some initiative you would have left it and if it appeared to offend the other user (their response is usually a good indication) then act.

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I'm not making arguments, its people over reacting.

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But you could have done if I didn't read this and was in a common moaning mood, then where would it have gone?
Plus this ain't people overeacting this is people moaning at the mods for Being more rude than the person they edit themselves by conceiling stuff from the people it was directed at.

@Zuth;

then why not brandon be the forum MOD hahhahha

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Originally Posted by The Don

It's my private content, if I choose to share it, that's my choice. You didn't have to act lmao, if you would have used some initiative you would have left it and if it appeared to offend the other user (their response is usually a good indication) then act.

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A5. Do not post private details or information ~ We do not allow you to post private information about yourself due to security concerns. Disclosing any information about another forum user without their consent is also not allowed. This includes:
Private messages
Reputation comments
Private conversations (MSN, Habbo, etc.)
Images / videos of the user or links to a page where an image/video of another user is located (this includes social networking sites, facebook, myspace etc))
Trying to organize real life meet-ups
It is also not allowed to give out the personal details (specific address, phone number etc) of anyone, forum user or otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Pipette

I'm not making arguments, its people over reacting.
But you could have done if I didn't read this and was in a common moaning mood, then where would it have gone?
Plus this ain't people overeacting this is people moaning at the mods for Being more rude than the person they edit themselves by conceiling stuff from the people it was directed at.

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So you're calling MODS rude because I've removed something that's against the forums rules?

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Originally Posted by The Don

It's my private content, if I choose to share it, that's my choice. You didn't have to act lmao, if you would have used some initiative you would have left it and if it appeared to offend the other user (their response is usually a good indication) then act.

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Ikr especially considering according to the rules I'm not allowed to see stuff concerning stuff about me and not even allowed to see what people have said to me?

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Originally Posted by Zuth

So you're calling MODS rude because I've removed something that's against the forums rules?

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Yes ... I wouldn't mind if I got told by the mod who removes it what was in it .... But Instead mods seem to think that "oh these people don't care what's been said about them, they enjoy things being said behind their back" where's the fairness in that?

Going to be honest, this is pretty trivial and if you have a problem with it then that's sad. I frequently get notices which I disagree with but arguing them is pointless because neither side wants to lose ground and it's incredibly subjective anyway. At the end of the day moderators have full discretion and you should trust them to make the right call 95% of the time and stop panicking because you got a user-note and a PM telling you off.

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Originally Posted by Zuth

So you're calling MODS rude because I've removed something that's against the forums rules?

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It wasn't against the forum rules, surely being disrespectful is subjective, You telling yuen not to post was disrespectful in my opinion, here the person who was 'disrespected' is blatantly telling you that she would rather you left the post than remove it and that she wasn't offended. Why can't mods use common sense rather than seeing something that might/could be against the rules depending on how it's interpreted and straight away editing and warning?

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Going to be honest, this is pretty trivial and if you have a problem with it then that's sad. I frequently get notices which I disagree with but arguing them is pointless because neither side wants to lose ground and it's incredibly subjective anyway. At the end of the day moderators have full discretion and you should trust them to make the right call 95% of the time and stop panicking because you got a user-note and a PM telling you off.

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Well said, totally agree

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Going to be honest, this is pretty trivial and if you have a problem with it then that's sad. I frequently get notices which I disagree with but arguing them is pointless because neither side wants to lose ground and it's incredibly subjective anyway. At the end of the day moderators have full discretion and you should trust them to make the right call 95% of the time and stop panicking because you got a user-note and a PM telling you off.

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Why is it 'sad' trying to improve a currently faulty system?

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Originally Posted by Zuth

Well said, totally agree

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Any response to my post?

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Going to be honest, this is pretty trivial and if you have a problem with it then that's sad. I frequently get notices which I disagree with but arguing them is pointless because neither side wants to lose ground and it's incredibly subjective anyway. At the end of the day moderators have full discretion and you should trust them to make the right call 95% of the time and stop panicking because you got a user-note and a PM telling you off.

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Read the thread and u will see that it concerns both sides as we are both angry .

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Originally Posted by Pipette

Ikr especially considering according to the rules I'm not allowed to see stuff concerning stuff about me and not even allowed to see what people have said to me?

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Yes ... I wouldn't mind if I got told by the mod who removes it what was in it .... But Instead mods seem to think that "oh these people don't care what's been said about them, they enjoy things being said behind their back" where's the fairness in that?

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If I told you, what'd be the point in removing it?

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Originally Posted by Pipette

Then 1 of 3 things then -

-don't keep removing rude things that are only mild, can understand racism and stuff though
-offer the option to ask for it by pming whoever removed
-the moderators clearly need to get some priorities with this, removing it only moves arguements from thread to vms or habbo or pms, so not really preventing anything unless people are told what is said so they can laugh at the person irl and move on

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True that arguments are often continued via visitor messages, but they are always dealt with separately.

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Originally Posted by The Don

That's a great attitude to have... Saying "it's the forum rules" isn't an excuse. The rules are there to protect users, here it shows that the user it was trying to protect didn't need protecting so obviously the rules are flawed hence why we are discussing it in a feedback thread.

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But saying "it's the forum rules" is an excuse...because you kinda agreed to follow them when you signed up to the forum.

Oh + @Zuth; the old saying

I would rather someone was rude to my face then talk about me behind my back

Appears quite frequently about this sorta stuff tbh, surely when you see both sides thoroughly against what your saying it should click?

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Originally Posted by The Don

It wasn't against the forum rules, surely being disrespectful is subjective, You telling yuen not to post was disrespectful in my opinion, here the person who was 'disrespected' is blatantly telling you that she would rather you left the post than remove it and that she wasn't offended. Why can't mods use common sense rather than seeing something that might/could be against the rules depending on how it's interpreted and straight away editing and warning?

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How can she say she was not offended when she didnt see the post?

So Ben edited the post and put the warning 'stay on topic and respect other users' why set it in stone? Why not say 'please do not use chat that may offend users. Established that Jan wasn't offended and didn't feel disrespected (some how) to it so why use that warning. I think it would be more appropriate to put the latter quote (even if the post was/wasn't obeying the rules).

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Originally Posted by Zuth

If I told you, what'd be the point in removing it?

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There was no point in removing it.

It feels like you are trying to take over the empty position of outspoken and often incorrect moderator which Chris left behind.

I think Matt needs to hire more capable mods if they can't grasp a simple point after 6 pages.

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Originally Posted by The Don

Why is it 'sad' trying to improve a currently faulty system?

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It would be a fair point if that were your aim, really you should have made a thread in this forum saying why you think it's unfair rather than airing you dirty laundry here because you were to inpatient to wait for the PM to arrive.

Also some of the things you're saying would be better suited to:
http://www.habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1331

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Originally Posted by Zuth

How can she say she was not offended when she didnt see the post?

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Urm that's established after I see the post because you haven't removed it, then I either most likely accept what has been said and love on or very unlikely then report it

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

I think it would be more appropriate to put the latter quote (even if the post was/wasn't obeying the rules).

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Sorry but that's just nitpicking for a bad argument. Moderators shouldn't have to be lawyers and close up the loopholes behind them.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

It would be a fair point if that were your aim, really you should have made a thread in this forum saying why you think it's unfair rather than airing you dirty laundry here because you were to inpatient to wait for the PM to arrive.

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Posting in the complaints section renders the point of feedback useless... Here everyone can discuss the situation whereas the complaints section limits those who can view the thread.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

It would be a fair point if that were your aim, really you should have made a thread in this forum saying why you think it's unfair rather than airing you dirty laundry here because you were to inpatient to wait for the PM to arrive.

Also some of the things you're saying would be better suited to:
http://www.habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1331

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2 points, firstly if he did that I would be less likely to find out what really was said, and also by doing this even if that ain't his aim I can strive personally for it as that is my aim.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Sorry but that's just nitpicking for a bad argument. Moderators shouldn't have to be lawyers and close up the loopholes behind them.

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No, moderators should use their initiative rather than issuing pointless/incorrect warnings.

IT'S A PITY WHEN THE MOD DOESN'T READ THE WHOLE THREAD SO DOESN'T REMOVE THE 'OFFENSIVE' PART IN THE QUOTE BELOW THE ORIGINAL POST OF IT! SAD DAY, SAD DAY.

That can be how Jan saw it :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by The Don

There was no point in removing it.

It feels like you are trying to take over the empty position of outspoken and often incorrect moderator which Chris left behind.

I think Matt needs to hire more capable mods if they can't grasp a simple point after 6 pages.

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Thats your opinion and you're entitled to it, I don't agree.
Trying to take over the SMOD position? I'm doing my job?
Matt is not the forum manager.

Being offended is subjective, moderation discretion is subjective. I do not like the idea that something has to be direct for it to constitute being offensive because it is often those indirect remarks that are, in my opinion, more offensive. Perhaps moderators should wait until someone complains about the material before acting on it but I think it's wrong to suggest that your post was fine because it was only implying something nasty rather than saying it outright.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

IT'S A PITY WHEN THE MOD DOESN'T READ THE WHOLE THREAD SO DOESN'T REMOVE THE 'OFFENSIVE' PART IN THE QUOTE BELOW THE ORIGINAL POST OF IT! SAD DAY, SAD DAY.

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What would the point of that be when people can still read it?

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Sorry but that's just nitpicking for a bad argument. Moderators shouldn't have to be lawyers and close up the loopholes behind them.

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Tbh your just trying to win a nonwinabble arguement, considering both sides of the not rude but warned post agree with each other ...

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Originally Posted by The Don

No, moderators should use their initiative rather than issuing pointless/incorrect warnings.

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If you have a problem with the warning then ask for it to be removed IN THE CORRECT FORUM. Feedback isn't the place for your personal issues with moderators and how they've screwed up on occasion. Errors are probable and there's a system to handle them. use it.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

IT'S A PITY WHEN THE MOD DOESN'T READ THE WHOLE THREAD SO DOESN'T REMOVE THE 'OFFENSIVE' PART IN THE QUOTE BELOW THE ORIGINAL POST OF IT! SAD DAY, SAD DAY.

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Report button is there for a reason :)

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Originally Posted by Pipette

2 points, firstly if he did that I would be less likely to find out what really was said, and also by doing this even if that ain't his aim I can strive personally for it as that is my aim.

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return please when you grammar has. Can't read what you're saying.

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Originally Posted by Zuth

What would the point of that be when people can still read it?

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That whoever was rude gets warned and the person it was directed to sees the post still so they don't start further arguements

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Originally Posted by Zuth

What would the point of that be when people can still read it?

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That's exactly the point? You haven't removed Don's 'offensive' part in the quote.....

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

Being offended is subjective, moderation discretion is subjective. I do not like the idea that something has to be direct for it to constitute being offensive because it is often those indirect remarks that are, in my opinion, more offensive. Perhaps moderators should wait until someone complains about the material before acting on it but I think it's wrong to suggest that your post was fine because it was only implying something nasty rather than saying it outright.

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Considering the fact that Zuth wrote in the warning pm he sent me that he was pretty much unsure himself if it deserved removal I would say it's safe to suggest it shouldn't have been removed and left unless it was reported.

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Originally Posted by The Don

Considering the fact that Zuth wrote in the warning pm he sent me that he was pretty much unsure himself if it deserved removal I would say it's safe to suggest it shouldn't have been removed and left unless it was reported.

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There's no point removing it after someone's been offended.

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Originally Posted by The Don

Considering the fact that Zuth wrote in the warning pm he sent me that he was pretty much unsure himself if it deserved removal I would say it's safe to suggest it shouldn't have been removed and left unless it was reported.

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At what point did I say I was unsure, oh I didn't. I said it could of offended her, as already stated, I'm not a mind reader.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

If you have a problem with the warning then ask for it to be removed IN THE CORRECT FORUM. Feedback isn't the place for your personal issues with moderators and how they've screwed up on occasion. Errors are probable and there's a system to handle them. use it.


Report button is there for a reason :)


return please when you grammar has. Can't read what you're saying.

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Utter rubbish if you can't read that, your on an internet forum, people don't write like the queen on here you know, how elitist are you really? Not that that was even that bad tbh.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

If you have a problem with the warning then ask for it to be removed IN THE CORRECT FORUM. Feedback isn't the place for your personal issues with moderators and how they've screwed up on occasion. Errors are probable and there's a system to handle them. use it.

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Evidently numerous other people agree that there's a problem so feedback appears to be the most suitable section, however you are correct, initially the thread deserved to be in the complaints section but clearly this thread has evolved from its original purpose.

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Originally Posted by Zuth

At what point did I say I was unsure, oh I didn't. I said it could of offended her, as already stated, I'm not a mind reader.

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wait, isn't that private information?

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Originally Posted by The Don

wait, isn't that private information?

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He's the one that sent it.

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Originally Posted by The Don

initially the thread deserved to be in the complaints section but clearly this thread has evolved from its original purpose.

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From you being burthurt about being told off to you saying the system is flawed when you're not even using the system?

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

He's the one that sent it.

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And I'm the one that received it yet he still told me I wasn't entitled to post it?

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

He's the one that sent it.

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Did he get consent off himself ;).

Nah in all seriousness though, the quote is still viewable by anyone and asking a question isn't offensive imo.

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Originally Posted by The Don

wait, isn't that private information?

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hahaha private information after you mentioned it first. Now you really are just trying to take cheap shots.
Although I agree that the 'please do not offend other users' rule would actually need to offend someone before it was removed. :P