So with all the work we've put in, you want us to just create 2 new tasks only because an executed player has already wrecked the current tasks?Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyLemurs
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So with all the work we've put in, you want us to just create 2 new tasks only because an executed player has already wrecked the current tasks?Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyLemurs
We've put so much time and effort into this! It isn't up to us to make up for outsiders' mistakes...
So take the 11 away and leave them with nothing
That wouldn't be fair either, seeing as you never said that outside help would reduce the VIP reward
I'm currently on my iPhone if you are seeing this message. Pretend like you care xx
I think it's clear that the competition is for current players only. You don't see the audience joining in on Catchphrase... All I'm saying :P
you should be giving us extra tasks though because it's not me or graham's fault (nor tara's i suppose but she won't care cause its more vip for her to win this way) that alex cheated because we didnt even know he was going to do that until he posted in the thread and the answers were posted........
The end result of these tasks isn't fair for anyone because you've ruined them.
If I award all the VIP, how is that fair on the Mole?
If I award half the VIP, how is that fair for either the group or the Mole?
If I award no VIP, how is that fair on the group?
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Gina is part of the remaining contestants and she posted the answers that CrazyLemurs did. If he had just come into the task and posted the final answer, you may have had a case, but the group chose to accept the help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelda
I'd like to remind you I didn't actually submit the answers lmao
I could have told gina them and she could have completely ignored both; particularly 20 as it was an image file she could have just discarded etc.
how is that the group chosing to accept help when gina isn't a majority, being only 33% of the non mole competitors? that's one person lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kardan
You didn't submit the answer, because you can't submit the answer. You are not in the competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyLemurs
one person doing it without consulting us is not the group chosing it
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not like it matters now anyway tara has won the vip cause we can't get to 8 anyway
Just like in all other tasks certain individuals can (and have) made decisions that the group didn't agree with. There has never been a majority voting system in this competition (we learnt not to do that, since some tasks had that in HxF Mole 1, and it took too long for tasks to even get started).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelda
Precisely what helps my point
Frankly, if I'm not part of the game, how did I actually cheat? I'm not involved anymore according to you so I could have just been helping gina with something irl for homework or something
As I've said, visit other tasks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelda
Intersocial picked orders for speed clicking without the group choosing. Somebody also paired people up for the Contestant's Dilemma without the group choosing. There's many more examples.
you can't then claim that the "group chose to accept the help" though when no1 else even knew it was going to happen........ that's hardly a valid arguementQuote:
Originally Posted by Kardan
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it's different from other cases though because this involves cheating not fair stuff
You didn't cheat, you can't cheat, you're not in the competition. I've not removed VIP because CrazyLemurs cheated. I've removed VIP because the group received the full complete answers from somebody not in the competition. If Gina didn't post the answers that you gave, there would have been no punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyLemurs
And come on, we're adults. Stop being silly. There is no way Gina would have had these 2 exact tasks for homework.
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It's been made clear that one person can make decisions for the group. Gina chose to accept the help, therefore the group chose to accept the help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelda
This is really ridiculous. We set this up so that there was something extra in the forum. A good forum game, not just 'rate the player above'. We thought it would be fun as it was great the last time round. Neither of us have much free time considering we're both doing a difficult degree, and we've taken a lot of time and effort to organise this, so forgive us for not leaping at the chance to spend hours creating 2 new tasks. We thought it was clear that a competition would be for the players and not for someone else to complete the task on their behalf and so we are sorry that this wasn't made clear in the rules but we never expected that something this obvious would come up as an issue. And just to add, we don't get anything for doing this, we don't get VIP or some sort of reward, we did it to be nice, so some people would have a fun group activity on the forum and we thought people would at least be grateful for that if nothing else. Sorry if you think we've messed up, but personally I don't think this is our fault.
there is a difference between making decisions for a group and chosing to cheat for the group. the one person who accepted the help should be the one who faces the consequences not the people playing along fairly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kardan
And what is that difference? As I've said, the whole competition has allowed people to make decisions and choices for the group as a whole, if somebody cheats, then that counts as the whole group cheating, and the group should face the consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelda
How can I punish the one player that got help, whilst still offering the days of VIP for the group? The task answers have already been revealed to the whole group.
the idea of communal responsibility is a very flawed one, surprised you don't realise that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kardan
i don't really care i'm just thinking for the others here cause i couldn't care less what happens though, so idm.
instead of now checking what's going on with this for the rest of the day since the tasks are done perhaps that time can be used to work out how to punish the one player then?
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anyway because i don't want to argue and this is only a pitiful amount of vip anyway that we lost from this i'll just leave it at that i just thought it seemed rather unfair that was all. do whatever you think is best/want to do
Of course it's flawed, only if people don't work together. The whole point of the competition revolves around that point. Non-Moles can wreck the tasks if they want, Skandair did that for Task 12 - he completely wrecked a task, and he wasn't the Mole. So everyone's work went down the drain, because he wanted to annoy people. That's also another example of flawed communal responsibility, but it's part of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelda
And I'm glad you couldn't care less what happens, because nothing will change. The VIP has been split half and half between the group and the Mole because essentially the task was ruined for both sides. So I guess I have to split the disadvantage between everyone.
And how can I punish the one player? The only way possible is to enforce a penalty on the final execution quiz, but is it worth it? The group/Mole have already lost half of their final lot of VIP, and there are no more tasks, so the one player doesn't even have the opportunity to learn from their mistakes.
But I'm Irish?! :SQuote:
Originally Posted by Kardan
Anyway, this game that Aiden and Charz have created is fantastic and it's great for the community for them to do a game like this. When this game started I was so sickened I forgot to apply but now that this has happened and that Alex has completely sucked any enjoyment out of the game I am delighted.
Alex, you were over confident and you lost. That means you are out of the game. You're up on your high horse like you're Einstein but you fail to comprehend common sense. Even when Laura was out of the game she wanted to test herself by doing the tasks but she did it by herself, in her own time, not for the sake of the competition. It's a game, seriously..
Again, well done to @Kardan; and @Charz777; for organising a fantastic game once again.
The whole game relies on people being suspicious of others so everyone working together is highly unlikely. If they did, the whole game would be rendered pointless because the mole would be obvious. It's never going to happen though because that would rely on having 16 highly active people playing. When something is bolded you do it on behalf of the group regardless of whether the group agreed with it or not. Perhaps Gina would've been more likely to wait for your approval if you'd actually had a more active role in the game so far. She probably assumed she was on her own as you're super inactive and assuming the theory that graham/tara working together is true.
Gosh leave me alone for ****'s sake I am bored of habbox giving me ****
I had no idea that by helping (fine ******* doing it FOR THEM) that vip would be taken away because nobody said that it would
Knowing that this will lead to having vip taken away, it's not something I will do so amateurly in future with the mole 3 or 4 or whatever
More people saying I suck the fun out of it: my idea of fun is winning, and that does not mean it isn't a correct idea of fun. My opinion is not yours
just to anyone saying that if we'd have shown more interest in doing this task that gina posted that answer at 12;49am so ye didn't give much chance.
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anyway this is all over now so good luck every1 on the execution quiz eh
it's also hard when me and graham work retail and seen to be the only ones in the game with a job and were doing CRAZY hours because of the holidays, I also have a life and need to see friends which is why ive been inactive as I just have no time at the mo, haven't read all thr posts but yeah just throwing that out there
yea and also the competition was timed with the last few weeks of school/college so for people like me we had a lot going on for most of the tasks and i every day would be getting home by about 5 and had work and stuff to do before i could even consider this, so consider that before you start calling people inactive, just because you didn't have such stuff going on.
(if the competition had been 2 weeks later in the holidays then yes i could understand more the arguement though)
ok I see what's happening, god people it's only a game! taking this time to thank charz and kardan for all the hard work they've put in and giving me sonethinh to look forward to each night
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who's that directed at Zelda
people talking about inactive people not you
Why did you apply then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelda
+ yes i would also like to thank kardan and charz for what they've done and putting in all this effort with all this going on
Was going to be my question, Kardan
If you aint got the time don't waste ours
because i still had time to play (as is clear by the fact i have still taken part in tasks more than some others) just not as much as some of the other people....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kardan
I never said you should've been here. Ofc everyone's going to have their real lives not log onto some game. I was just trying to suggest a reason as to why Gina just went for it without consulting anyone first.
I can't read through the whole thread since I'm online using my phone as my sister has people round but I didn't post at 12:49am whatt but o. Sorry ye I just got a message saying post this ahblah so I did lmao and considerif Tara hasn't been on most days because of works and with hardly anyone else contributing I thought why not but ye sorry if it annoyed you but like rats said cheers karsan and chars for hosting this haha I did enjoy it and am sorry if this message doesn't make sense because I'm using the touch thingy with autpcprrecy and don't really want tp read back through this so hi the sorry cheersQuote:
Originally Posted by Zelda
gina are you drunk
Nono I'm nots I'm a good girl
Well that was an interesting read...
Thread closed.