Leave moderating to the moderators rule is ridiculous and lame and stupid

Nothing wrong with a friendly reminder by members. I guess it depends on the rule that the member has broken? Telling a member they have pointlessly posted is arguably pointless under the rule as it's off-topic, but if a member posts a link to a retro then maybe it should be allowed? Especially if the member who posted the retro made a genuine mistake thinking it was fine to do so. Context will make it understandable.

How you would edit the rule to make sense of what is doing the moderator's job is another problem altogether :P

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if it's a spam thread then it is fine

you're just scared that the community will become so friendly that moderation won't be required and you will be left jobless

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if you saw a boy beating up an old lady in the street would you let him carry on? or would you intervene and tell him to back off!

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Telling someone they broke a rule ain't really gonna help. And whatever is spam idk they're not my rules lol. It might aswel just be one rule for all

Nor does it do any harm, and no they're not your rules but you're supposed to know them and enforce them properly

wat if it was a post which said something else so it wasnt pointless as well as saying that a person was rule breaking

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0

Why does everybody make threads about the most pointless things?!

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Yes. This response made my day.

I can't help but laugh at the same old crew who consistently break the same rules and then make threads complaining about the rules and arguing with / teaming up against the mods instead of just following the damn rules. If you don't like the way the forum is run, then leave. Seriously. It's not that difficult.

It's always the same people moaning and groaning about every single aspect of Habbox. Not just about the rules, either.

Phil put a lot of time and effort in to a forum activity recently (the Jungle one) and instead of a "thank you for all of your hard work" thread he was greeted with a huge feedback thread moaning about how he could have done it better.

The people who volunteer to run this website are just that, volunteers. They are not paid for their efforts, they are here because Habbox is a community that they care about and want to be a part of and have fun while doing it.

People who consistently break the rules, post negativity, criticize admin and management, complain about radio, events, etc. need to realize that the workers here are real people who have their own lives and commitments outside of Habbox. If you think you can do a better job, then apply for the entry-level volunteer position. Once you're hired, you can spend countless hours working away for thankless complainers, and perhaps if you last long enough you'll move up to a senior role, and perhaps management. Then, once you're management, you can be involved with the decision making process in terms of rules.

The people who are in management have already proved their dedication and love for the site, or else they would not have been promoted. They have Habbox's best interest in mind. They don't make rules just to annoy you or make you angry. They have good reason for the rules that are in place. Enough with the constant moaning.

tl;dr - If you think you can do a better job running the site, apply for a job and start working your way up like the current and previous management who made the rules did. If you're too lazy to do that and you still hate everything about the site and feel the constant need to complain about it, do us all a favor and leave.

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wat if it was a post which said something else so it wasnt pointless as well as saying that a person was rule breaking

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I think I said that was fine to do so in my post.

I'd rather have one person contacting a user about a rule break rather than all the members telling them as well as a moderator coming along and editing the post and telling the user the same thing.

Nothing wrong with the rule at the moment. Just report the rule break and let one person sort out the problem. Keep it consistent.

However the thing that happened in spam was ridiculous. They were clearly just messing about and didn't need all those edits and pms imo.


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Yes. This response made my day.

I can't help but laugh at the same old crew who consistently break the same rules and then make threads complaining about the rules and arguing with / teaming up against the mods instead of just following the damn rules. If you don't like the way the forum is run, then leave. Seriously. It's not that difficult.

It's always the same people moaning and groaning about every single aspect of Habbox. Not just about the rules, either.

Phil put a lot of time and effort in to a forum activity recently (the Jungle one) and instead of a "thank you for all of your hard work" thread he was greeted with a huge feedback thread moaning about how he could have done it better.

The people who volunteer to run this website are just that, volunteers. They are not paid for their efforts, they are here because Habbox is a community that they care about and want to be a part of and have fun while doing it.

People who consistently break the rules, post negativity, criticize admin and management, complain about radio, events, etc. need to realize that the workers here are real people who have their own lives and commitments outside of Habbox. If you think you can do a better job, then apply for the entry-level volunteer position. Once you're hired, you can spend countless hours working away for thankless complainers, and perhaps if you last long enough you'll move up to a senior role, and perhaps management. Then, once you're management, you can be involved with the decision making process in terms of rules.

The people who are in management have already proved their dedication and love for the site, or else they would not have been promoted. They have Habbox's best interest in mind. They don't make rules just to annoy you or make you angry. They have good reason for the rules that are in place. Enough with the constant moaning.

tl;dr - If you think you can do a better job running the site, apply for a job and start working your way up like the current and previous management who made the rules did. If you're too lazy to do that and you still hate everything about the site and feel the constant need to complain about it, do us all a favor and leave.

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So basically, all staff and management are always right, and there's no need for feedback ever?

I do think the rule is fine. I agree with it not being used in spam as most of the spam threads are jokey although I think the rule itself needs clarification rather than saying 'if you see someone break a rule use the report button' maybe it could include some examples of what you can do/say and what you can't say.

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I'd rather have one person contacting a user about a rule break rather than all the members telling them as well as a moderator coming along and editing the post and telling the user the same thing.

Nothing wrong with the rule at the moment. Just report the rule break and let one person sort out the problem. Keep it consistent.

However the thing that happened in spam was ridiculous. They were clearly just messing about and didn't need all those edits and pms imo.


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Well, the rule in itself is okay, you don't want people pointlessly posting (assuming we're outside of spam) something like 'YOU BROKE THE RULES!!!', but surely, it should be part of the pointless posting rule?

I mean, we don't have a rule saying: 'You may not ask someone how they are unless you add something to your post which is relevant to the thread topic', that's because it would fall under pointless posting :P

The 'Leave moderating' rule has nothing to do with people trying to be like moderators, it's simply to stop pointless posting, so seems strange that there's a rule which allows moderators to punish pointless posting in spam and seems strange that we need that rule, when the pointless posting rule would already cover people just saying 'YOU BROKE THE RULES!!!'

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I do think the rule is fine. I agree with it not being used in spam as most of the spam threads are jokey although I think the rule itself needs clarification rather than saying 'if you see someone break a rule use the report button' maybe it could include some examples of what you can do/say and what you can't say.

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From a SMOD position then, can you tell me why the rule is fine? Like, what is the rule setting out to accomplish? Because I'm struggling to see it from any other way than my point of view here :P

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I do think the rule is fine. I agree with it not being used in spam as most of the spam threads are jokey although I think the rule itself needs clarification rather than saying 'if you see someone break a rule use the report button' maybe it could include some examples of what you can do/say and what you can't say.

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I think that'd just be unnecessarily restricting things even more tbh.

Not sure if this was posted already but I'm sure when I was a moderator we allowed people to tell people that they broke the rules if they were also contributing to the thread.

I understand what you're saying but there is a report system to use. Instead of typing it out just let a moderator know, or you have multiple people telling them they broke the rules. Can get annoying if you are that person getting told.


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Originally Posted by Drewar

Yes. This response made my day.

I can't help but laugh at the same old crew who consistently break the same rules and then make threads complaining about the rules and arguing with / teaming up against the mods instead of just following the damn rules. If you don't like the way the forum is run, then leave. Seriously. It's not that difficult.

It's always the same people moaning and groaning about every single aspect of Habbox. Not just about the rules, either.

Phil put a lot of time and effort in to a forum activity recently (the Jungle one) and instead of a "thank you for all of your hard work" thread he was greeted with a huge feedback thread moaning about how he could have done it better.

The people who volunteer to run this website are just that, volunteers. They are not paid for their efforts, they are here because Habbox is a community that they care about and want to be a part of and have fun while doing it.

People who consistently break the rules, post negativity, criticize admin and management, complain about radio, events, etc. need to realize that the workers here are real people who have their own lives and commitments outside of Habbox. If you think you can do a better job, then apply for the entry-level volunteer position. Once you're hired, you can spend countless hours working away for thankless complainers, and perhaps if you last long enough you'll move up to a senior role, and perhaps management. Then, once you're management, you can be involved with the decision making process in terms of rules.

The people who are in management have already proved their dedication and love for the site, or else they would not have been promoted. They have Habbox's best interest in mind. They don't make rules just to annoy you or make you angry. They have good reason for the rules that are in place. Enough with the constant moaning.

tl;dr - If you think you can do a better job running the site, apply for a job and start working your way up like the current and previous management who made the rules did. If you're too lazy to do that and you still hate everything about the site and feel the constant need to complain about it, do us all a favor and leave.

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I'd rather have one person contacting a user about a rule break rather than all the members telling them as well as a moderator coming along and editing the post and telling the user the same thing.

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I doubt that everyone will suddenly start telling everyone else off every time they break a rule :P. If they do so without contributing to the thread, it's a pointless/off topic post. If they take things further they could be impersonating staff. I actually can't see the purpose of the rule :P.

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From a SMOD position then, can you tell me why the rule is fine? Like, what is the rule setting out to accomplish? Because I'm struggling to see it from any other way than my point of view here :P

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As Jordan had said you are allowed to post in a thread like 'this would be better in this section' and post a link only if you are relevant to the topic (Which is posted somewhere in the habbo section). Rule breaks i would deal with would be if some one said 'don't avoid the forum filter' 'don't post pointlessly' 'don't be rude to others' even if it was on topic.

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As Jordan had said you are allowed to post in a thread like 'this would be better in this section' and post a link only if you are relevant to the topic (Which is posted somewhere in the habbo section). Rule breaks i would deal with would be if some one said 'don't avoid the forum filter' 'don't post pointlessly' 'don't be rude to others' even if it was on topic.

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But they would all be classified as pointless posting, because they wouldn't be adding anything to the topic or discussions happening in the thread?

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But they would all be classified as pointless posting, because they wouldn't be adding anything to the topic or discussions happening in the thread?

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If they so happened to be relevant to the topic I would only edit the bit where the rule break is and leave the rest so it would still be ontopic.

I do see your point of it being related to pointless posting.

Do moderators have some sort of document telling them how to operate that further explains the rules? You could just take down the opinions in this thread (edits to posts in Spam being one) and add it to whatever guides the moderators. Seeing as Spam isn't meant to be serious editing posts telling people they're breaking the rules when they say that another member is breaking the rules seems a bit counter-productive in that area.

Also, you could break up that rule to further explain what rules are more serious than others e.g. telling a member they're pointless posting is just subjective and ironically pointless in itself, so that should deserve a warning from a moderator. But, if a member tells someone posting personal details they're breaking the rules then maybe this shouldn't have a warning as that's more serious?

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If they so happened to be relevant to the topic I would only edit the bit where the rule break is and leave the rest so it would still be ontopic.

I do see your point of it being related to pointless posting.

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Oh, so if the thread was 'Post what you watched on TV'

And I said: 'I watched Bargain hunt, oh FlyingJesus, you just avoided the filter'

I would get warned for that? Even though xxMATTGxx just said that was fine? :P

The way I see the rule is, we have two rules. The pointless posting rule, let's say that's equivalent to 'Don't post a number higher than 4'. And the 'Leave moderating rule': 'Don't post a number higher than 6'.

What's the point of 'Don't post a number higher than 6' rule if we have a 'Don't post a number higher than 4' rule? Doesn't really serve a purpose.

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Oh, so if the thread was 'Post what you watched on TV'

And I said: 'I watched Bargain hunt, oh FlyingJesus, you just avoided the filter'

I would get warned for that? Even though xxMATTGxx just said that was fine? :P

The way I see the rule is, we have two rules. The pointless posting rule, let's say that's equivalent to 'Don't post a number higher than 4'. And the 'Leave moderating rule': 'Don't post a number higher than 6'.

What's the point of 'Don't post a number higher than 6' rule if we have a 'Don't post a number higher than 4' rule? Doesn't really serve a purpose.

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I disagree with xxMATTGxx then.

Oh btw just thought I'd mention that the second part of the rule is definitely important;

"You should also never ignore a moderators warning, change their warnings, open a thread they have closed or use the Moderator Specific BBcode ([modwarn]). This is considered 'Abuse of Moderator Features'. Editing a moderators warning or opening a close thread will result in a private message being sent, while using the moderator warning tags out of the blue will result in an infraction without any prior warning."

So when I said I can't see the purpose of the rule, I'm referring to the first part :P.

Seems strange then that because of:

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Then it means this post is fine: "Hey, this is already posted here: *link* - Yes, I also love tacos" is fine.
But this post: "Hey, you've avoided the filter - Yes I also love tacos" is not fine.

And yes, @Mr-Trainor; - I didn't realise that the abuse of mod features was in the same rule - clearly that is needed. I think everyone is luckily talking about the 1st part :)

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Why does everybody make threads about the most pointless things?!

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oh please you replied 58 times to the "Get rid of post your... junk threads"

now that is SAD

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Seems strange then that because of:


Then it means this post is fine: "Hey, this is already posted here: *link* - Yes, I also love tacos" is fine.
But this post: "Hey, you've avoided the filter - Yes I also love tacos" is not fine.

And yes, @Mr-Trainor; - I didn't realise that the abuse of mod features was in the same rule - clearly that is needed. I think everyone is luckily talking about the 1st part :)

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Posting a thread in the wrong section isn't breaking the rules. There isn't a rule in the rules section where it says 'Don't post in the wrong section otherwise you will receive a usernote' which is why you are allowed to say that. Where as avoiding the filter is breaking the rules.

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Posting a thread in the wrong section isn't breaking the rules. There isn't a rule in the rules section where it says 'Don't post in the wrong section otherwise you will receive a usernote' which is why you are allowed to say that. Where as avoiding the filter is breaking the rules.

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I'm not talking about posting in the wrong section, I'm talking about someone creating a thread that has already been created.

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I'm not talking about posting in the wrong section, I'm talking about someone creating a thread that has already been created.

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Thats not breaking a rule either?

So people can create duplicate threads and not get into trouble? News to me.

Then why does that part have to be specified in the rules? If posting a duplicate thread isn't breaking a rule, why is it included in the section about 'Telling people not to break the rules' - surely that's a void example? I mean, surely everyone would be free to post 'This has already been posted here:' - since that's not telling someone they've broke a rule?

I hate it when people refer to breaking a rule to getting in trouble. I hate it when people take it the wrong way from a friendly PM and get defensive. I'd say it would fall under the roof of posting threads in the wrong section.. you don't get a usernote for it so i really don't consider it as breaking the rules.

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I doubt that everyone will suddenly start telling everyone else off every time they break a rule :P. If they do so without contributing to the thread, it's a pointless/off topic post. If they take things further they could be impersonating staff. I actually can't see the purpose of the rule :P.

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Of course not (to answer @Kardan). I have no problem with people bringing up topics for serious, constructive discussion about a topic.

However, constructive criticism or feedback is extremely rare around here. It is the same people who are constantly creating threads moaning about every little detail that bothers me. You’ll see an entire thread made for something like: “OMG MY ONE WORD POST WAS MARKED AS POINTLESS OMG I DEMAND CLARIFICATION RIGHT NOW THE RULES SHOULD BE CHANGED OMG @MATTG THIS IS REDICULOUS”… Really? Your spam post being marked as spam is ridiculous? You don’t get any sort of negative consequence for pointless posting (no infractions or warnings or anything) as long as you don’t excessively do it over and over again, so why does it even matter to you? Yeah, one could argue that the rule is pointless. But it is there for a reason. It is there for the person who takes rule breaking to the extreme or continuously posts pointlessly. If you complain about "always" getting your posts marked as spam... then here's an idea... try creating a post that isn't spam and actually has some thought in it and promotes discussion.

That's the same reason the "Leave the moderating to the moderators" rule is in place. Sure, a lot of times the rule probably doesn't need to be strictly enforced, but it is there for the people who take it to the extreme.

Some people are too quick to want to change the rules around here simply because they constantly break them and are too lazy and stubborn/argumentative to change their habits. They think the rules should change and be tailored for them.

When you go for a hike on a mountain and the terrain doesn't suit your needs (it is too hard for you to hike), you don't go home and write a letter to the committee in charge of taking care of the mountain asking them to change the shape of the mountain for you, do you? Actually I shouldn't even ask that question, because some members on here probably would do that because they are so self-absorbed and stubborn.

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I'd like to disagree, I think the majority of feedback threads these day have constructive criticism/feedback, rarely do you see a thread say: 'CHANGE THIS BECAUSE IT SUCKS'.

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oh please you replied 58 times to the "Get rid of post your... junk threads"

now that is SAD

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Replied telling them to leave it as it is, I wasn't trying to get ridiculously trivial things changed :S

And if you want to talk about posts, you've got over half my post count when you've had your account 2 years and i've have mine for 9 :rolleyes:

i see no issue with it i mean sometimes people question what they have done wrong i can see the positive and negative side form this but i think you should at least inform them about the rule break

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I'd like to disagree, I think the majority of feedback threads these day have constructive criticism/feedback, rarely do you see a thread say: 'CHANGE THIS BECAUSE IT SUCKS'.

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Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but mine is different from yours. I suppose we are at an impasse.

As I see it, there is a distinct group of people who consistently make demands and negative comments. Even if a thread starts off as constructive by talking about general suggestions for a department or specific issue that needs to be addressed within a department, it almost always takes a turn for the personal/negative and ends up attacking a specific staff member or group of staff members, which I think is completely unnecessary.

People around here are entitled, and I think that they should realize that Habbox is run by hardworking volunteers who don't "owe" anything to the people who are constantly bringing in negative energy and breaking the rules. They should appreciate the efforts of staff more, and if they feel really passionate about changing something, they should express themselves in a clear and constructive way that does not lead to specific staff members or group of staff members being insulted.

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Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but mine is different from yours. I suppose we are at an impasse.

As I see it, there is a distinct group of people who consistently make demands and negative comments. Even if a thread starts off as constructive by talking about general suggestions for a department or specific issue that needs to be addressed within a department, it almost always takes a turn for the personal/negative and ends up attacking a specific staff member or group of staff members, which I think is completely unnecessary.

People around here are entitled, and I think that they should realize that Habbox is run by hardworking volunteers who don't "owe" anything to the people who are constantly bringing in negative energy and breaking the rules. They should appreciate the efforts of staff more, and if they feel really passionate about changing something, they should express themselves in a clear and constructive way that does not lead to specific staff members or group of staff members being insulted.

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Well, threads not having constructive feedback is an entirely different thing to users dragging in certain members of staff. But that also depends on the situation, for example there's a difference between saying "Phil, when you do the next I'm a Habbo you need to do this and this differently" to "calum0812 is an awful moderator". The first sentence is acceptable in a feedback thread, the 2nd sentence, not so much.

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Well, threads not having constructive feedback is an entirely different thing to users dragging in certain members of staff. But that also depends on the situation, for example there's a difference between saying "Phil, when you do the next I'm a Habbo you need to do this and this differently" to "calum0812 is an awful moderator". The first sentence is acceptable in a feedback thread, the 2nd sentence, not so much.

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I disagree. Phil doesn't need to do anything. He isn't a slave to the forum members. He's putting on the event because he wants to. Not because he needs to. And even if it was necessary for him to put on an event, it isn't necessary for him to do it your way. I'm sure Phil (just using him as an example) designed the event with the intent of it being fair and fun for all participants, even if something inadvertently wasn't fair or fun. I'm sure if someone politely pointed it out to him (rather than "demand" something be changed) that he would incorporate it in to the next one.

An acceptable way of putting it would be "Phil, I liked the I'm a Habbo event because of reasons a,b and c, but I think it could be even better if next time you tried incorporating suggestions x,y,z".

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I disagree. Phil doesn't need to do anything. He isn't a slave to the forum members. He's putting on the event because he wants to. Not because he needs to. And even if it was necessary for him to put on an event, it isn't necessary for him to do it your way. I'm sure Phil (just using him as an example) designed the event with the intent of it being fair and fun for all participants, even if something inadvertently wasn't fair or fun. I'm sure if someone politely pointed it out to him (rather than "demand" something be changed) that he would incorporate it in to the next one.

An acceptable way of putting it would be "Phil, I liked the I'm a Habbo event because of reasons a,b and c, but I think it could be even better if next time you tried incorporating suggestions x,y,z".

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Did you read the I'm a Habbo feedback thread? Because that's how it looked like to me? I don't recall anyone demanding anything.

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Because your basically pointless posting tell someone they broke a rule when you can simply just report it. It gains nothing telling someone they broke the rules

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When I made a thread about this like 1-2 years ago the reason given was that "some users pretend to be moderators"

now the reason changed

GET REAL

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Did you read the I'm a Habbo feedback thread? Because that's how it looked like to me? I don't recall anyone demanding anything.

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Did I say that people demanded things in that thread? No.

The only reason I mentioned that event at all was because you brought it up as an example. A hypothetical situation. And your example highlighted the general entitlement attitude of many people of the forum.

Anyways, I don't have the time or energy to engage in such a trivial argument on the internet any longer.

I've stated my opinion. If you don't agree with it, that's your prerogative :)

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So I took that as you saying people demanded things in that thread.

And I'm not sure I'd call this an argument either, but ah well :P

Which is exactly what people said in that feedback thread. They said what they liked, they said what they'd do next time. He didn't have to host the event but if he wants to host another one then there's feedback there to make the next one better. I think using that example people appreciated that actually he went out of his way to do something extra, shake things up a little and naturally that also meant that things didn't always go to plan or could've been planned better. Where it's mostly negative is when there's little effort or no sign of progress. The achievements system is going to be released soon, I am sure there is going to be feedback about that but there will be feedback precisely because it's different and new and we will also respect that they put the effort and work in to achieve that. I think generally this forum is tough, there can be a lot of sarcasm and people entrenched in a certain viewpoint but generally it's also fair and appreciates hard work and creativity.

As for the rule, I personally think it's nicer to have threads that don't have a couple of people telling someone that their post is breaking the rules when there's a report system there already that would take care of that.

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When I made a thread about this like 1-2 years ago the reason given was that "some users pretend to be moderators"

now the reason changed

GET REAL

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:S I wasn't a mod 1-2 years ago lmao. It is additional because people try to impersonate