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no he isn't. the old baw crew seem to be staying on in some sort of 'advisory' capacity. i find it very ironic considering i was an 'adviser' in the eurovision event and they repeatability told me that being an 'adviser' meant nothing and i should go away - the word seems to have taken on new meaning now its them doing the advising - funny that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
Well done to group two, especially Daltron and matt2205.
Just wondering though, does the new group of builders replace the old group because from what I've seen it looks like the old group are still clinging on to the rank - which seems pretty unfair to the second group of people.
I won't lie it's very intimidating for me having the original group there still pretty much doing everything and interacting on the forum etc. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael
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I don't get that? I thought the group was limited to six months in order to give new people a chance? Why are the old people hanging about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daltron
Haha i've never wished i had taken some more in my life than i do right now... i will try to get on my old PC and see if maybe i have one, but i've never really intentionally stopped to take screens of my rooms, so i don't know if i will have any, honestly. sorry :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
Well, not quite... again, i did have some participation in RBI as well, however limited. The quality and style of my help desk was what got me into RBI, and i really do wish i had some screenshots to show, as it wasn't your typical "Help desk." it was more of a chill room. I get the sense people think i was some how chosen based on favoritism, which simply isn't the case, i don't interact with staff almost ever, and i don't think most staff care for me very much as i am so opinionated and outspoken. I legitimately think my work spoke for itself, which is why i wish i had not picked it up, or wish i had taken pictures...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
see above... but i also agree it should be the previous team who has input on the next team, as well as jendro (or whoever is leader at the time) and that there should be an application/interview process to it. I guess i shouldn't say i have no idea how i made the team, what i mean is i don't know who suggested me nor who chose me. i have a good idea why i made the team, and wish i hadn't destroyed all my rooms to sell the furni... i may throw something together quickly with BC for people to pop in and see my style... check my rooms in the next week or so...Quote:
Originally Posted by JaiHo
He's not a leader, he isn't in BaW, but we're just getting started and in fact haven't really done anything but talk, and some of us have met, so Pivot and Undercover have been visiting with us, and answering questions - mostly for me. I know that I appreciate their help, and look forward to having their guidance - it is good to have people who have been through it before to guide and direct us. Also, KitchenNinjette has told us that we are allowed to have outside help, so if we want Undercover and Pivot to work with us, or give input, we can ask. They have no official title nor position on the team, but they are definitely welcomed and appreciated - at least by me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
See above. They are not clinging to their rank. Think of it this way: they put a lot of hard work and effort into BaW, and now they have to hand the reigns to someone else, so of course they want to make sure they answer questions, and make sure we are okay. Also they have been kind enough to let us learn from what they have already found from season 1 by allowing us to see the season 1 forums and see what to expect. we are also able to ask for suggestions, and help. That being said, we haven't even started much yet (except Hawaii, that man is a machine at building!) so there really hasn't been anything for them to help with.. .so what are you even talking about...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael
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I will try to throw something together for people to look at, check my rooms in the next few days, not sure what just yet, but we'll see. This is gonna be a good season, even though we really don't have too much to work with (june is a boring month) but hoping to see some fun stuff come from this group!
I don't disagree with a lot of what you've said and I'm not going to begrudge you or anyone else their place in BAW... however I think making a forum name with a "BAW-" prefix is clinging to the role and frankly it looks a bit desperate. If you want their help then by all means take it but you can also ask non-BAW people for help too (Hawaii helped a lot in BAW rooms for example).Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoredom
can somebody outline what being in baw ACTUALLY entails? what are you building rooms for exactly
I already intend to ask a couple people outside of BaW to help on some projects! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Okeanos
We basically make rooms for events and promotions. Like we have to choose from a few of the holidays next month (mostly international stuff) and make rooms to go with those themes which may then get used as public rooms by habbo. we may also be asked to make stuff for youtube, and do events, or judge competitions. at least that is what we've been told. we may end up mostly just making rooms for holidays and promotions, but who knows what the future may bring!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
As someone's who's been an active room builder for years now and really is passionate about room building, I'm disappointed that there isn't a more clear application process for something like BaW. I've actively participated in nearly every room competition that's been hosted going back to the Canadian hotel and have won a good number of them. I challenge myself with new types of builds all the time and am constantly playing around with furni and I feel like that's the attitude you should have to be on BaW. Simply having one "help desk" that's "more of a chill room" isn't enough to show how passionate a builder you are. You should just build for the sake of building, and have rooms and history to show that.
I feel like Jendro should be in charge of the picks, with staff simply recommending, rather than the opposite. Applications would really be the fairest way of dealing with picks in the future. We should have to send in screenshots and links to our builds as well as display that we've been previously recognized for our building ability, through comps or otherwise (i.e. picks of the pack, staff reviews, etc). I could list plenty of people more deserving than some on the current and previous team ( @kovsky and @Okeanos are two that I think of in this thread). BaW has the potential to be a really great way of rotating through and showcasing passionate and dedicated builders in a clear and fair process rather than a shady program that doesn't have any clear structure or selection process.
I'm not sure but yesterday I logged on to take part in building for an event and the room was done. It had a group too so I checked out the members and it was like most of BAW1 and one person from BAW2 so I just had the impression they had worked together.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaiHo
I am not sure, I don't know why I am there at this exact moment. Hopefully over the weekend I can take part in projects with my fellow BAW2 members.
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Originally Posted by Sandoo
Jendro added me as a friend to ask me if I would have to time to be in BAW if he "hypothetically" recommended me. I told him that I wouldn't join because I don't work well with other people (sadly true) and that I didn't like the fact BAW members aren't allowed to participate in room competitions.
I do agree that the process for applying should be more clear and open to all though. Hopefully you and Okeanos get it next season.
Actually, our first project was due on the 23rd of May so we had under 24 hours to complete the room. I was online with Jendro so we decided to start building ASAP, I designed most of the room myself then asked Bored_1 (when he came online) to come in to help/give any feed back or make changes in the room. Matt2205 did all the wiring for the room (he did a fantastic job) and he also helped design a badge for the event. Pivot and Undercover. did NOT do any building in the room, all they did was give us feedback, moved a few things around that were out of place and help stack the wired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daltron
They won't be helping us build this season (unless we ask), they are just there to guide us and teach us things they learnt from the last season. I myself helped the last BAW season in a few projects by dropping wired or designing a few things, so others are more than welcome to help us as well. I don't want to look like I was trying to individually design to room and take complete control, but since we had such a short deadline the room needed to get done ASAP, and I got Matt2205 and Bored_1 to help as much as they could when they were online. You're in the team because for a good reason, it doesn't matter if you missed this project as there will be many others to come which will have longer deadlines, so time won't be an issue.
if you need an expert amazing builder to help i am here for u guys x
me too xx
What's the point of making a group of a limited amount of people if you're just going to ask other people to help? Clearly shows you're an incapable bunch to do the job and defeats the purpose of the group entirely.
First of all you're assuming we are calling every one to help us design, that isn't the case. We had less than 24 hours to build a room for World Turtle Day, mind you we were assigned this project within the first few hours of joining BAW 2. We haven't even met as a group to discuss things, and it was literally just me and Matt2205 online - the others had commitments in real life and weren't expected to drop every thing in their lives to come and build a room on Habbo. We called Pivot and Undercover. to give feedback on the room, they didn't design or build anything in the room.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hidden
Secondly, the only reason we'd call others to help is because Builders Club has limited in furni, and between the group we don't own a wide range of different furniture to assist in our building. Allowing others with different furniture can help our designs as the furniture we need won't always be in Builders Club. That being said, it will only be occasionally and we'd get the previous members to drop some furniture that might be useful for us, we'd still be building but they'd help supply.
I would've thought owning a wide range of non-BC furni would be a requirement before joining BAW
Well, Kitchen said BaW is all about promoting BC and showing what can be done with it - the only problem is, Builders Club doesn't have a wide range of furniture. I'm not sure what the requirements are in joining BaW, but it doesn't matter if you don't have any furniture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storking
Well shouldn't you be using builder club furni to promote it rather than normal furni?
exactly, if that is the aim then stick to BC only!
I've been approached by 3 separate members/affiliates of BAW being told to stop judging the group and its members because I "know nothing" about it/them. Well I know all that I need to. I know that 2/3 members of the current group have't built or even helped with building anything for the community since RBI, I know that they don't have any form of showcase of their talents and I know that nobody - them included! - knows why they were chosen over others more capable.
If the purpose of BAW is to showcase builder's club then I don't understand why people who've never used it before are being allowed in. I don't understand why people with no furni at all are being added if a wide range for small touches is required. I just don't quite get the logic.
I've already said it but I feel I need to reiterate so people don't think that I've got some kind of grudge or vendetta against them which is what normally happens - I don't doubt that the BAW team will do a fine job, I just think that others were more appropriate choices this time around. If any other members of BAW want to come into my rooms and slate them then please remember that I, like others, don't keep my rooms up for long/haven't been in bc ages/have helped with other rooms rather than only creating my own. But thanks for having a look, means a lot.
My own NON BIASED suggestions for the next batch would be users familiar with BC, users that build more with BC than with normal furni, that have displayed their building prowess in the past, that are consistent with their builds and style and that are still building whenever opportunities arise. An application process WOULD be ideal but it's not going to happen by the sounds of things so I suggest the current team start taking notice in room comps and not just allowing staff to dip into RBI like a tombola and pull out randoms.
Well done for the first event. I know habbo are clutching at straws to bring up things like 'turtle day' so that BAW actually have something to do, and you guys really did a great job with it. It's a great concept and easy to get the hang of and the badge is beautiful. Congrats to both matts and hawaii who seem to have put in the most work this time around, hope to see some of the other members' unique style shining through next time.
Get pushing for more furni ranges in BC.
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Originally Posted by Storking
Some times that's not possible, for example, last season they had to design an office for the Agency Fair but there isn't any executive in BC so how can you just use builders club? Builders Club is useful for the blocks, other than that all it has is the cheap furniture you find in 1-2c shops and the current campaign furniture. Also, only one person in the group is allowed to drop BC furni, so it kind of limits us in that perspective as well.
I don't know why you're acting like a smart ass, obviously we're allowed to use other furni than what's in BC and we won't be asking for "help" every project. Anyways the room we built for the Turtle day is like 90% BC, excluding the wired. So what's your problem? We are using BC. My point is, it's useful to have furniture OUTSIDE of BC as well.
The staff selection is based around work in RBI, other peoples recommendations, and room competitions. An application process would be nice but then people who don't even build will try to apply just to be in it. I think the leader should have a greater say in who will be in their group, as they'll be working with them for 2 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
Also, there does need to be more furniture in BC and we're trying to push for it but it's the whole "don't want to ruin the economy" debate. There's some things I don't agree with either but at the end of the day staff aren't just selecting randoms, they are selecting those who worked well in RBI and have shown themselves capable through room competitions. The next season will be interesting since the leader is changing, there will be a lot of debate on who will get selected for the role.
Why should RBI have any influence on this? RBI was proven to have failed largely due to it being filled with preferential treatment by staff. If staff wanted to avoid that then they should make BaW completely fair, applications are the way to do that. Who cares if people apply who haven't built before, that's the whole point of having applications... so you can screen out those who are applying for the fun of it. Your argument just doesn't make sense, of course completely open and apparent applications are the best and most fair way for people to be hired. There's a reason application processes are used almost ubiquitously for jobs. Having staff select without any sort of clear criteria or way of getting your name out is why nepotism and bias was an issue in RBI and continues to be an issue in BaW. People who are the most deserving and dedicated should all have a fair chance at being recognized. Those who are hired should not be surprised or confused as to why they received the position, nor should the community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawaii5.O
All offices aren't made from executive, you're meant to use your imagination and be creative. You said you were to promote BC which is why we responded with the obvious so stop being a ****. All builders should have furni to build with so your point is invalid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawaii5.O
that's odd because i remember most of the BAW people who were in RBI did very little.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawaii5.O
You're the one saying use imagination and be creative when the majority of rooms that came out of your events had rollers, one way gates and coloured tiles. I didn't mean that the whole room has to be executive, but the main design for agencies involves executive so it's good to keep with the theme; for example if we were to build a room that reflects casinos and I used Pura and lodge from BC then I don't think that would work. We're building a HQ for BaW which will be an office and we're not using executive, but going to do our own creative design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hidden
Yes, we are going to promote BC by showing what can be achieved with it, and that's what we've done with our first project - you're exaggerating on my point. If my point is invalid, then why do staff not care if people have furniture or not upon joining BaW? All I'm saying is there's tonnes of furni ranges out there and if we only used BC furni we'd be limited and constantly producing the same styled rooms, which I'm sure you're quite familiar with yourself.
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I never paid attention to RBI so I wouldn't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Okeanos
pmsl will hawaii just rekt ya
Just make sure the BAW office isn't just a rebranded twilight house like the RBI one was lol
Does anybody know when the new BC blocks and other ranges are due to be released?
really like the turtle room, the game is okay but seeing as you only had 1 day to come up with it you've done a good job.
ppl are so unreasonable lol
they will moan about literally anything and u cant win either way its pointless
the BAW main room that i saw (not sure if they're still using it) was just a direct copy of rakker's building site room. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
Well Rakker is kind of the man behind the spawn of BAW so at least it makes more sense than a nondescript house in the trees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Okeanos
I have no idea what 'events' you're talking about considering I've hosted a raceway which had no rollers or colour tiles with like 5 one way gates? Which was over a year a go then 1 fansite event that I made which was colour tiles and gates and an unofficial snake maze with rollers obviously. I barely ever make room anymore because it's completely pointless so you must be confused by the person you're attempting to insult lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawaii5.O
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If it's not the EXACT same, Pivot probably made it he uses Rakkers designs for most of his rooms to pretend he built them and adds lot's of rares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Okeanos
since being friendly and politically correct about it doesn't work, time to be blunt:
Quit being butthurt you didn't get picked. There is no favoritism here. We were chosen because staff felt we were what they needed on the team - plain and simple. stop trying to dig for an underlying reason that isn't there, you are only making yourself look bitter and pathetic. Saying that BaW should only be allowed to use BC is just plain moronic. Why don't you go make something using NOTHING but BC, then come back when you realize how HORRIBLE it looks? As far as who does or does not help with projects: WHY DO YOU CARE?! We have been told by STAFF that we can have outside help. I don't need your permission or approval, so get over yourself. An application process is stupid, it doesn't show any involvement in the community. Being able to build nice rooms is only ONE aspect of BaW, you have to also be a part of the community and be involved in events and activities. I know when you guys say "people don't belong on the team, they don't even build" you guys are talking about me. I may not have rooms built right now, but in the 12+ years i've been playing i have had my share of rooms that were obviously good enough to catch people's attention enough that i was suggested. I've also participated on various small RBI projects, and helped people with other rooms that weren't for competition or anything, but just for their room or for fun. I don't enter competitions because the prizes always suck and it's not worth my time and effort (yes, I DO have a life outside of Habbo, some of you should consider getting one....)
If you don't like the BaW team, then don't participate in our events, and don't visit our rooms; it's that simple. If you are mad you didn't make the team, just remember BaW JUST got started, and there will be more opportunities. Continue building, maybe try offering some assistance to current BaW members, talk to staff (don't harass them about it though.) and see what happens. It is not an elite group, it is not favoritism, it's a list of people who were in RBI, who have been active, and who were recommended. THAT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE. And for all we know, they may expand outside of RBI in later seasons, i think they are just using that as a starting point for reference - people they KNOW will do well because they've already been involved before.
This is beyond out of hand and approaching pathetic. We get it, some people think they have some reason to be upset by the people who were chosen - good for you. The choice has been made. Deal with it. Grow up. You don't even know what we have in store yet, and you haven't even seen what we can do yet, so just shut the hell up and wait. don't pass judgement until we have a TRUE chance for ALL of us to shine (not just 24 hours for a few people to throw something together...)
Subo said it better than i could have:
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Originally Posted by subo
Crying at hidden criticising a room builder's group after his shambolic viking entry.
You might want to aim that at someone in particular rather than giving a blanket response of "don't be bitter... grow up... deal with it" because not a lot of people actually wish to be members of the BAW team, they are just making observations and suggestions for improvement in the future. Frankly nick your post is rather rude, full of insults to people who are offering genuine feedback, and it doesn't really contain anything fruitful.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoredom
An application process isn't ridiculous at all. The suggested application would not simply be users talking about their past in as persuasive a manner as possible (something you are all too familiar with from your RBI application I am sure) -- it would require users to actually demonstrate their value, to prove that they have built successfully before and to show that they are still very passionate about building. For the most part BAW has done this manually but a legitimate system that forces staff to take notice is better than allowing good builders to fall through the cracks in favour of big talkers.
Your point about belonging on the team is ridiculous. If a user doesn't build then they should not be in a team dedicated to showcasing building. It's as simple as that really. Yes, rooms do come off as lacklustre when they contain only BC items, but that's why the BAW team should contain users that have participated in quests and events over the years and accrued a good range of furniture. The turtle room is a perfect example because its beauty is pretty much fully reliant on both an intimate knowledge of wired and jendro's summer quest items - two things that a couple of the members ( :rolleyes: ) could not have offered.
Good luck with the rest of the season. Like I said, I'm sure other builders will have a chance to display their talents in upcoming events, it's just a shame that a lot of you guys have come to habbox on the offensive when really we are all looking forward to seeing the BAW season through with engaging and beautiful events for all.
What an embarrassing response, @TheBoredom, definitely not the way you should represent yourself or BAW as it comes off as defensive and irrational mainly because your argument doesn't make a lot of sense. Arguing against applications is completely illogical as applications would rid BAW of many of the problems it presents. For one, there would be less reason to complain about not being picked by those who want to join the team. By having everyone go through the same process it won't just be staff picking from a limited "list of people who were in RBI" but instead allowing the entirety of the community, which you've emphasized so much in your argument, to have a fair chance at participation.
Secondly, applications could also stem to a series of articles introducing BAW members at the start of a season after applications are closed and a team is chosen. Having a "BAW team showcase" of each team would use elements submitted from applications (i.e. room screenshots, room competition wins the user is most proud of, favourite furni line, a building tip or trick, etc.). By having these elements in an application it would allow for the community to see how and why each user has been chosen. As a result there would be fewer complaints because many of the accusations of favouritism and nepotism would be proven invalid. The community could see the dedication and creativity a team member has, which could be helpful in cases where a user doesn't keep rooms up or unlocked.
Finally, I just don't see the logic in not having applications in terms of staff workload. Proper application processes can streamline the amount of time and effort staff would have to put in to their selections. They wouldn't have to comb through a selection of users, try and piece together their talent level by seeing random rooms the users have or may not be especially proud of. If a BAW team member recommends a user for the next season, staff would easily be able to pull up their application and see exactly what the user is capable of rather than listening to a biased or quick recommendation from a user.
As it stands, BAW, like RBI, is a flawed system, and by being apart of the first couple rounds, current team members should be looking at the community's feedback as insightful and beneficial, rather than attacks. You guys should be coming on forums and building off our ideas instead of getting defensive and completely rejecting them. I for one don't care who's on the team, as long as I can see why they've made it on the team. That's why we need applications and more publicity and showcases of the BAW team. If you won't take the community's advice about applications and revamping the selection process, then at least take my advice right now and act a little more level-headed; you aren't above the community by being on BAW, rather you simply have a chance at bettering a facet of it that right now is flawed. Accept BAW as a fluid concept and work to offer staff feedback on how to develop and change it to benefit the experience of users interested in this aspect of Habbo.
Unlike Kyle's rude attack, i feel this well-thought and calmly-spoken feedback is worth a response:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandoo
I apologize if i come off as defensive or attacking, i'm not trying to but i do feel the need to put down some false-ideas people have mentioned like staff favoritism and such. Try to see things from my perspective, i have read a lot of negativity in this thread so it is hard not to focus on that. also had a bit of a rough day anyways so was responding in anger already - my bad...
You are right though, we should absolutely take suggestions into consideration, and after you fully explaining it a little better i can say that yes, i do see your side of things and how applications (if done right) could be beneficial.
I want to make it clear i don't see myself as "above" anyone, and especially not for my membership in BaW and i am sorry if it has seemed that way - it's not the case.
Again, i apologize if i came off as being attacking (reading back on what i said now, i can see how i was) that was not my intent. I can only hope that going forward people will be more apt to post constructive criticism like Sandoo has.
We are currently building a new HQ for the current BAW team, to answer the questions above. It will be original and not a (direct if anything) copy of any pre-existing room.
As for all this petty argument we get it guys. The application system is flawed and you are disappointed because you believe your skills are better than those in BAW. It's early days but I think you're about to see some great stuff and I understand a lot of people generally look for anything to criticise so we welcome it.
I have put forth an idea that we have a small desk to take suggestions to improve design and BAW in general with a private thread where we post ideas in client.
A few of you are very mad that there is not an application process that is clear so try me. Feel free to PM me what you think would be an appropriate application process for BAW3 and I will happily pass it on for consideration. I don't know what else you guys want.
Happy days
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@TheBoredom; my posts here are as constructive as I am capable of making them. I offered a suggestion of an application and it was rejected. I said that users that don't build should not be in a group for builders and that's being ignored. Despite the concerns I have expressed I've tried not to come off as outright rude and am eagerly waiting for you to prove your worth within the current team. To say that my posts aren't worthy of response is an attack in itself.
As for being "butthurt", "disappointed", "jealous" or "mad" -- I think that's just Okeanos. I originally aired my grievances because I felt that others (myself NOT included) would be better suited to the position and others could have joined at a later date when they were fully prepared for the task. I don't want to be in the BAW group any more than anybody else does.
@Sandoo;'s suggestion of a proper showcase is something I am completely agreed on. Putting a personality and style to a name will help to bring BAW members back down to the level of normal users and perhaps allow them to justify their choice.