The BNP - Good or Bad?

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11-12-2009, 03:39 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by SauravG

Weird how the link doesnt work for you but does for everyone else >.<

I think if you read that pdf ONCE you decide to read it, it will answer your questions.

You can DOWNLOAD it here: http://rapidshare.com/files/31943990...-ukip.pdf.html

The link will not work, believe me if I could get onto it I would eagerly read it. (I shall try again later). Although this has still not answered my point, i'd like you to tell me, not Mr Corbett, how UKIP are racist and homophobic.

I could link you all to UKIP articles all day long and make numerous outlandish claims about the Euroean Union or the Labour Party, but I have my own opinion and I can debate with it so i'm asking you to do the same right now.

How are UKIP racist and homophobic?

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As you've just said, the document doesn't load for you so how do you know it's a "former socialist Labour MEP spewing on about how UKIP are apparently racist"? It's actually addressing key points about UKIP and gives evidence to back up what he says.

I've just now visited the UKIP website and I found what I expected. No party in their right mind is going to have illegal racist policies written on their website for all to see, so that was a pointless exercise now wasn't it? I've even been onto the BNP website just now, and something struck me.

How can you claim they are racist then? - their policies are right there. I could claim Labour are racist, but just aren't showing their 'true colours'.

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Originally Posted by 1
We will freeze immigration for five years, speed up deportation of up to a million illegal immigrants by tripling the numbers engaged in deportations, and have ‘no home no visa’ work permits to ease the housing crisis.

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Originally Posted by 2
We call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants.

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Now can you tell me which came from the UKIP website, and which came from the BNP? I bet you can't because they are exactly the same.

How is either one of them policies racist?
11-12-2009, 03:42 PM
Seatherny

What? Not even Rapidshare is working now? Interesting stuff >.<
So my website, Mr. Corbett's website and now rapidshare. All 3 which link to the PDF file.

Like I said, I do not see the point in explaining it all when its clearly listed out in the PDF file.
11-12-2009, 03:44 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by SauravG

What? Not even Rapidshare is working now? Interesting stuff >.<
So my website, Mr. Corbett's website and now rapidshare. All 3 which link to the PDF file.

Like I said, I do not see the point in explaining it all when its clearly listed out in the PDF file.

Ok right, you have Mr Corbett's article right with you now, able to read. I am asking you how UKIP are racist, so what can you do? - you post some evidence of Mr Corbetts claims and then enforce it with your own opinion.

You tell me how are UKIP racist and homophobic.
11-12-2009, 03:46 PM
Seatherny

You obviously love the UKIP and dont like anything against them.

I will say it ONCE AGAIN VERY CLEARLY IN BIG BOLD LIKE YOURS, the PDF file TO WHICH I HAVE GIVEN YOU 3 DIFFERENT LINKS, clearly lists WHY THE UKIP ARE RACISTS and it backs them up with CREDIBLE AND RELIABLE sources.
11-12-2009, 03:47 PM
Tash.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

How can you claim they are racist then? - their policies are right there. I could claim Labour are racist, but just aren't showing their 'true colours'.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1
We will freeze immigration for five years, speed up deportation of up to a million illegal immigrants by tripling the numbers engaged in deportations, and have ‘no home no visa’ work permits to ease the housing crisis.

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Originally Posted by 2
We call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants.

How is either one of them policies racist?

I didn't say these particular quotes indicated that UKIP were racist actually. I'm merely pointing out that the BNP are a party known for their racism, and yet UKIP share quite a few policies with them? Coincidental? I think not. The basis of my racist claim comes from the PDF which you can't read for whatever reason. High ranking members of that party have said some pretty disgusting things. When you read the PDF you will see what I mean.
11-12-2009, 03:50 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by SauravG

You obviously love the UKIP and dont like anything against them.

I will say it ONCE AGAIN VERY CLEARLY IN BIG BOLD LIKE YOURS, the PDF file TO WHICH I HAVE GIVEN YOU 3 DIFFERENT LINKS, clearly lists WHY THE UKIP ARE RACISTS and it backs them up with CREDIBLE AND RELIABLE sources.

I want to read it but cannot as it does not load.

Instead of point to Mr Corbetts article, please give me your own reasons why UKIP are racist, or even better - quote Mr Corbetts evidence.

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Originally Posted by Tash.

I didn't say these particular quotes indicated that UKIP were racist actually. I'm merely pointing out that the BNP are a party known for their racism, and yet UKIP share quite a few policies with them? Coincidental? I think not. The basis of my racist claim comes from the PDF which you can't read for whatever reason. High ranking members of that party have said some pretty disgusting things. When you read the PDF you will see what I mean.

What policies?
..so in your logic, UKIP cannot have a strict, common sense immigration policy all because the British National Party also support the same line of restriction?

Do quote these disgusting things.

EDIT; I have just been sent the article in quote form from Sergio and have skimmed read it, so now please do pick a part out and we'll discuss it and how its apparently racist/homophobic and whether or not the source is reliable.
11-12-2009, 03:58 PM
Tash.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

What policies?
..so in your logic, UKIP cannot have a strict, common sense immigration policy all because the British National Party also support the same line of restriction?

Do quote these disgusting things.

In your opinion it is a common sense immigration policy, not everyone agrees that it's the correct thing to do, including myself.

And happily:

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Robert Kilroy-Silk (UKIP MEP Since 2004) wrote in the Daily Express:"They [Muslims] are backward and evil and if it is racist to say so... then racist I must be - and happy and proud, to be so.

I'd have to type each one out and I have better things to do as there are many, but here is a taster of many quotes that the publication has.
11-12-2009, 03:58 PM
Seatherny

I am sure you would love to read them, so here are some screenshots. They follow on from one another.

http://i49.tinypic.com/53jnyx.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/a0w84i.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/r0yqdi.jpg

IMAGE 2 EDITED AS I DIDN'T SCREEN SHOT IT PROPERLY
11-12-2009, 04:02 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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In your opinion it is a common sense immigration policy, not everyone agrees that it's the correct thing to do, including myself.

Ok so, basically its not racist. Glad we got over that hurdle.

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And happily:

I'd have to type each one out and I have better things to do as there are many, but here is a taster of many quotes that the publication has.

Did Robert Kilroy Silk say this (is there anywhere else where this can be quoted from fully?) - if he did say this then I disagree with his generalisation, but I do agree in the sense that the Middle East and most muslim countries are backward, and Sharia Law is evil which is part of the faith itself.
11-12-2009, 04:09 PM
Seatherny

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Ok so, basically its not racist. Glad we got over that hurdle.

Did Robert Kilroy Silk say this (is there anywhere else where this can be quoted from fully?) - if he did say this then I disagree with his generalisation, but I do agree in the sense that the Middle East and most muslim countries are backward, and Sharia Law is evil which is part of the faith itself.

Daily Express, it was quoted from that.

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