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Originally Posted by Condas

Zen

- looks styleish
- graphics look nice
- good music

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Any mp3 player has good music if you put good music on there :s.

Also who actually has 15,000 songs which they can put on there mp3 player? :s 30gb is no use for me unless it's used for mp4's.

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Originally Posted by Chrisbes

a - actully you get itunes with the ipod and you can put any music format on (that i have tried)

b - actully your wrong - you can take it to an apple shop and get whatever done in 10 mins or you can go on the apple site and it tells you the problems and how to solve them ...

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a - i know u get the disc with it! put u still need to convert it its just built in

b - if hes like me and the nearest place that apple will pay to get it repaird at it is 1 hour away then he should also the infomation doesnt always help thats why apple sends u a box to send it back and they will fix it!

I have number two, and I deffinatly recomend it.
I've had two ipods, and after a year, as said above, the batterys died, and on my first ipod (19th Generation one) the memory errored. I went to buy a new battery, which cost nearly as much as the ipod. :l
So yeah, i've never had a problem with my Zen, but as someo mensioned, the navagation takes a while to get used to.

i pod 30gig ive got the 60 gig best mp3 ive ever had ive got bout 30 films and 25 episodes of the simpsons its super easy to use and i can also help you with dvd rippign software and places to download ;) stuff from

lol 19th gen! theres only 6 gen

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Originally Posted by Chrisbes

well the ipod has a colur screen , good video quality

games
easy to navigate

i have an ipod and its great but its up to you what one you think looks the best and performs the best

and from the pics ipod has more features

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Well duh, so does the Creative Zen Vision M, how else would it play Video :rolleyes:

The iPod is ugly, it has an ugly circle in the middle of it, it shouldn't exist and doesn't perform the best "/

Get the Creative Zen Vision M! I have one, way better than the iPod which shouldn't exist anyway! Better Video Quality, doesn't need anything converted into some crapy Apple format!

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Originally Posted by Stealth

Any mp3 player has good music if you put good music on there :s.

Also who actually has 15,000 songs which they can put on there mp3 player? :s 30gb is no use for me unless it's used for mp4's.

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You don't have to put 15,000 songs on, some of those songs could be videos...

also the ipod looks better and is more world renowned when you wack it out everyones like woooow is that an ipod video

get the iPod, they're easy to navigate. =)

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Originally Posted by Troubling

also the ipod looks better and is more world renowned when you wack it out everyones like woooow is that an ipod video

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lol true, creative zens play less file types aswell, a AAC file for a ipod which can be converted from mpg, mp3, mpeg any type of video/music file, i have a 99 MB mp3 file i converted it down to AAC it took it down 30 MB

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Originally Posted by Troubling

also the ipod looks better and is more world renowned when you wack it out everyones like woooow is that an ipod video

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Isn't that a downside? They're common "/ And when I whip out my Creative Zen Vision: M they're like "Wow, play movies and show me photos on it!" Plus as I have stated, Apple iPod shouldn't exist "/ And they are ugly....